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mjones74 mjones74

posted on May 22, 2012

I’m trying to get more information on my great great grandfather. We can’t find any records linking him to Choctaw but we are told that is our heritage. His name is John C. Clark born aroung 1850 in Georgia. He left Georgia and went to Louisiana. He then left Louisiana to join his brother Jordan Clark in Arkansas around 1900. My great grandmother Annie Pearl Clark was born in 1888 in Louisiana. He was married to to Mary Lucinda Bilberry-Clark and his brother Jordan was married to Martha McNeely-Clark. My family currently lives in Chidester Arkansas where we have been told this is where they settled. We’ve also been told many of them settled in Oklahoma. One of my grandmothers daughters was raised in Oklahoma by one of her sisters I believe. Her daughters name is LaDora Alexander. I’m trying to see how do I find out if he is Choctaw and how can I find informatin about his parents, the rest of his children and his siblings.

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suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on May 22, 2012

john c. clark b. ~1850 GA m. annie pearl ? b. 1888 LA
not sure who was married to marcy lucinda bilberry

brother jordan clark m. martha mcneely

tribal heritage might be difficult unless someone applied for enrollment in a tribe. in oklahoma/indian territory, the dawes roll 1896-1906 contains the names of applicants to the five major tribes in oklahoma. there are 63 tribes in oklahoma.

location is a good indication of tribal enrollment, so it is important for you to establish where your family lived.

in LA, there is the jena choctaw, for instance. there were various tribes in GA but i don’t know if any of them enrolled natives or established itself as a tribe. if you had more information about location, you could contact the georgia historical society and find out about possible nearby tribes.

you should also try to find out the family heritage of annie pearl, surname unknown. do you have a birth certificate or death certificate? contact the louisiana state archives or louisiana state vital records office for that. also ask for a delayed birth certificate. when social security went into effect 1/1/1937, many people had to submit delayed birth certificates to show proof of age.

maybe this is jordan:
1880 United States Federal Census about Jordan Clark
Name: Jordan Clark
Age: 46
Birth Year: abt 1834
Birthplace: Georgia
Home in 1880: Liberty, Ouachita, Arkansas
Race: Black
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: Martha Clark
Father’s Birthplace: Georgia
Mother’s Birthplace: Georgia
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Farmer
Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane:

View image
Household Members:
Name Age
Jordan Clark 46
Martha Clark 34
Sallie Clark 16
Samuel Clark 14
Robert Clark 11
John H. Clark 10
Texas E. Clark 8
Ella Clark 6
Oska Clark 4
Virginia O. Clark 1
Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: Liberty, Ouachita, Arkansas; Roll: 52; Family History Film: 1254052; Page: 63D; Enumeration District: 223; Image: 0729.

1900 United States Federal Census about Jordan Clark
Name: Jordan Clark
Age: 58
Birth Date: Jul 1841
Birthplace: Georgia
Home in 1900: Liberty, Ouachita, Arkansas
[Ouachita]
Race: Black
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: Martha Clark
Marriage Year: 1865
Years Married: 35
Father’s Birthplace: Georgia
Mother’s Birthplace: Georgia
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Jordan Clark 58
Martha Clark 50
Ida Clark 17
July Clark 11
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Liberty, Ouachita, Arkansas; Roll: 70; Page: 2B; Enumeration District: 138; FHL microfilm: 1240070.

1900 United States Federal Census about Martha Clark
Name: Martha Clark
Age: 50
Birth Date: Mar 1850
Birthplace: Arkansas
Home in 1900: Liberty, Ouachita, Arkansas
[Ouachita]
Race: Black
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: Jordan Clark
Marriage Year: 1865
Years Married: 35
Father’s Birthplace: Georgia
Mother’s Birthplace: Georgia

1870 United States Federal Census about Sam Clark
Name: Sam Clark
Age in 1870: 3
Birth Year: abt 1867
Birthplace: Arkansas
Home in 1870: Missouri, Ouachita, Arkansas
Race: Black
Gender: Male
Post Office: Camden
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members:
Name Age
J Clark 35
Martha Clark 30
Sarah Clark 5
Sam Clark 3
Robert Clark 1
Green Mckinick 15
Andrew Mckinick 14
Source Citation: Year: 1870; Census Place: Missouri, Ouachita, Arkansas; Roll: M593_59; Page: 345B; Image: 684; Family History Library Film: 545558.

Name: Green Mckinick
Age in 1870: 15
Birth Year: abt 1855
Birthplace: Louisiana
Home in 1870: Missouri, Ouachita, Arkansas
Race: Mulatto
Gender: Male
Post Office: Love Grove
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members:
Name Age
J Clark 35
Martha Clark 30
Sarah Clark 5
Sam Clark 3
Robert Clark 1
Green Mckinick 15
Andrew Mckinick 14
these mckinick children might be from a previous marriage of martha’s. mckinnick might be a variant of spelling.

so jordan clark was born about 1835 GA.
and because he is black, the question about whether he and his family were slaves is not resolved.

those were the earliest records i could see for jordan.

1880 United States Federal Census about Mary Bilbery
Name: Mary Bilbery
Age: 14
Birth Year: abt 1866
Birthplace: Louisiana
Home in 1880: 6th Ward, Union, Louisiana
Race: White
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Father’s Birthplace: Alabama
Mother’s Birthplace: Louisiana
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Work On Farm
Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane:

View image
Household Members:
Name Age
Elzy Bilbery 51
Sinthy Bilbery 37
Mary Bilbery 14
John Bilbery 7
Mack Bilbery 16
Bernard Shute 30
Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: 6th Ward, Union, Louisiana; Roll: 473; Family History Film: 1254473; Page: 452A; Enumeration District: 086; Image: 0186.
you might check with the jena choctaw in LA or the MOWA tribe in AL or the mississippi choctaw tribe in MS. you can check for native census records and native databases and rolls at accessgenealogy.com, link on the left of the dawes roll menu.

the jordan clark family was not living in OK/indian territory at the time of the dawes roll. and i don’t see that they applied for enrollment.

john clark is more of a problem because his name is very common. there is no surname for annie. no children listed. and i don’t now if he was married to mary lucinda bilberry or martha mcneely in 1900.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government agency for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times, names of family members. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

obituaries through the oklahoma choctaw tribe is through the history link for the tribe:
http://www.choctawnation.com/history/

social security application for a deceased person:
http://www.ssa.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm
form SS-5.

your public library probably has a subscription to heritage quest and ancestry.com. fold3.com is another useful database for native records and military records, but they are a subscription. however, many times their month’s subscription price is less than the price of a dawes packet, however check with accessgenealogy’s database to see if your relative’s dawes packet is exists or is available at fold3.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/dawes.php?s_last=green&s_first=mart&s_middle=&s_tribe=
partial names are allowed.

bear in mind that many records are not online. always collect documents, as just the reference to a relative in an index informs you that a document is available.

death records:
death certificate: state vital records or if very old, state archives. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. you can look at death indices, such as the social security death index 1964-present for a date of death on rootsweb.com or ancestry.com.
obituary: see your local public library, interlibrary loan program. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. approximate date of death is helpful. if old, state historical society or state archives might have historical newspapers.
cemetery record: try findagrave.com or interment.net. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. if you find a relative, you can click on the county or cemetery to see if others with the same surname are buried there.

marriage records:
state vital records office, county clerk or if old, state archives or state historical society.

birth records:
state vital records office, or if old, state archives or state historical society. if the birth was before 1940, ask for a birth certificate or a delayed birth certificate. many people had to get delayed birth certificates when social security came into effect because they had to show proof of age. this will be under the name used at the time of birth.

census records:
you will want to search for census records 1940 on down to the birth of your relative. the federal census was taken every 10 years, however the 1890 census was largely destroyed by fire. there are also some state census records and native census records and native rolls. ancestry.com and heritage quest are two databases that include many census records. many native census records kept by NARA (http://www.archives.gov) are transcribed at accessgenealogy.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

history of the dawes roll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Commission
wikipedia entries are sometimes opinionated; entered by volunteers.

helpful information about tribal enrollment
http://www.felihkatubbe.com/ChoctawNation/TribalMembership.html

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if your relative was enrolled by court action, their name might not be on this list.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
you can order the dawes packet from the oklahoma historical society website.

if you find a relative listed on the dawes roll, fold3 may have filmed the record and could be available online.
http://www.fold3.com/documents/46580455/dawes-packets/
other resources are NARA http://www.archives.gov

the five civilized tribes book put out by the department of the interior has testimony.
http://books.google.com/books/about/Five_civilized_tribes_in_Oklahoma.html?id=chATAAAAYAAJ
and you can read it online

and these are the microfilms at fort worth TX archives.
http://www.archives.gov/southwest/finding-aids/native-american-microfilm.html

there may be additional records about your relative:
contact NARA http://www.archives.gov for these and other records listed on this webpage.

75.23 RECORDS OF THE COMMISSIONER TO THE FIVE CIVILIZED TRIBES 1852-1919
75.23.1 Records of the Dawes Commission
75.23.2 Records of the U.S. Indian Inspector for Indian Territory
75.23.3 General records of the Commissioner to the Five Civilized Tribes
http://www.archives.gov/research/guide-fed-records/groups/075.html
(Record Group 75)
1793-1989

http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html
oklahoma newspaper and archives search. some of these resources may be available through interlibrary loan/public library.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/
some obituaries:
http://www.choctawnation.com/history/obituaries/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving your Choctaw Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents (application, census card and testimony) may help you find out more about your heritage.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears
http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes:
http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society
Historic Preservation and Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society
marriage records
http://www.okhistory.org/research/library/marriage.html
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/chocmarriageindex.htm

other historical societies:
http://www.daddezio.com/society/hill/SH-OK-NDX.html
some oklahoma genealogical societies:
http://www.censusfinder.com/oklahoma-genealogy-society.htm
http://www.geneasearch.com/societies/socokla.htm

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter
and you can read this book online. your relatives’ testimony might be in the book.
http://www.archive.org/details/fivecivilizedtr00statgoog
see the menu at left. you can download it.

you should look at the enrollment application, census card and testimony. this post will tell you how to do that. these documents will tell you more about your heritage, but it won’t help you if your goal is to be enrolled in the choctaw tribe of oklahoma. some people were classed as mississippi choctaw if the family had a native heritage but didn’t qualify for enrollment in the tribe.

there are 63 tribes in oklahoma but only the five major tribes are on the dawes roll. look at your family’s location around 1900-1930 time period (census will help you there) and see if there was a tribe located nearby. it is possible that your relatives were affiliated with another tribe.

if they were mississippi choctaw, there is probably a land grant in MS/AL to a head of household called choctaw scrip land. this was given in lieu of tribal enrollment 1830-1880 time period. ancestry.com has a database of the MS and AL choctaw scrip land records, called mississippi or alabama land records. there are other land records in those databases too,, so you have to look at the authority/source cited. NARA http://www.archives.gov has those land record packages.

the mississippi choctaw was not removed from oklahoma. but they were largely rejected for tribal enrollment.

this website might help you in your search. some people are trying to transcribe applications.
http://www.us-census.org/native/choctaw_dawes.html
i do not know what they are trying to transcribe, but this is the volunteer page
http://www.us-census.org/states/graphics/status.htm

and this might be of interest to you:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/choctaw/rights-of-choctaws.htm
Rights of Mississippi Choctaws in the Choctaw Nation

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalrolls/
Index to the Final Rolls of the Citizens and Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes in Indian Territory
the dawes roll is composed of applications to the five major tribes in oklahoma.

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

this page can help you set up a targeted google search.
http://www.searchforancestors.com/google/searcher.html

penny postcards. this is a website that features pictures that were on postcards. click on the state to see the postcards that they have.
http://www.usgwarchives.org/special/ppcs/ppcs.html
if you have a penny postcard, you can click on submissions to add your penny postcard to the collection.

these searches will combine several possible search terms and give you the best matches.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Estella Robinson Estella Robinson

posted on February 15, 2013

This is so crazy we’re related! As to your question though I don’t know about there being any Cherokee in the blood although someone said there was “Indian” in there somewhere but as to how reliable this is I don’t know. Anyways how we’re related: My grandmother is Estella Warner (Gulley) the daughter of Paralee Watkins (Alexander) who is the daughter of Annie Pearl Alexander (Clark), daughter of Mary Lucinda Clark (Bilberry) etc. My grandmother Estella moved to CA from Chidester when she was really young and then her mother died so she lost contact with that side of the family. Anyways Ladora Alexander who’s about 90 now lives in Los Angeles, CA and she was raised by Annie Pearl’s sister Bertha I believe. There’s a few other members that I know of who also live in CA. And I know just as much about John C. Clark as you do :( but most of the Clark’s that I have been able to find lived in that Ouachita county in fact Paralee and Annie Pearl’s graves are there at Good Hope cemetery there in Chidester. My Granma said there’s a family plot there. Anyways if you see this please contact me at robinsonestella@gmail.com it would be greatly appreciated because I don’t really know any of the family on my grandmother’s side at all. Thanks a lot God Bless! :)
— Estella Robinson

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on February 15, 2013

you might try an obituary, cemetery record, death record.
obituary: your local public library/interlibrary loan. state historical societies or state archives might have newspapers and local history books.
death record: state vital records, county vital records, state archives.
cemetery record: try first findagrave.com or interment.net. there are other cemeteries also that might not be online.

Name: J Clark
Age in 1870: 35
Birth Year: abt 1835
Birthplace: Georgia
Home in 1870: Missouri, Ouachita, Arkansas
Race: Black
Gender: Male
Post Office: Camden
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members:
Name Age
J Clark 35
Martha Clark 30
Sarah Clark 5
Sam Clark 3
Robert Clark 1
Green Mckinick 15
Andrew Mckinick 14
Source Citation: Year: 1870; Census Place: Missouri, Ouachita, Arkansas; Roll: M593_59; Page: 345B; Image: 684; Family History Library Film: 545558.

this looks like a strange record. no date:

Arkansas, County Marriages Index, 1837-1957 about Lula Gray
Name: Lula Gray
Gender: Female
Age: 25
Spouse’s Name: Jordan Clark
Spouse’s Gender: Male
Spouse’s Age: 72
Spouse’s Residence: Ouachita, Arkansas
Marriage County: Ouachita
FHL Film Number: 987787

1900 United States Federal Census about Jordan Clark
Name: Jordan Clark
Age: 58
Birth Date: Jul 1841
Birthplace: Georgia
Home in 1900: Liberty, Ouachita, Arkansas
[Ouachita]
Race: Black
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: Martha Clark
Marriage Year: 1865
Years Married: 35
Father’s Birthplace: Georgia
Mother’s Birthplace: Georgia
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Jordan Clark 58
Martha Clark 50
Ida Clark 17
July Clark 11
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Liberty, Ouachita, Arkansas; Roll: 70; Page: 2B; Enumeration District: 0138; FHL microfilm: 1240070.

1910 United States Federal Census about Jordan Clarke
Name: Jordan Clarke
[Jordan Clark]
Age in 1910: 68
Birth Year: 1842
Birthplace: Georgia
Home in 1910: Liberty, Ouachita, Arkansas
Race: Black
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Father’s Birthplace: Georgia
Mother’s Birthplace: Georgia
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Jordan Clarke 68
Julia Clarke 21
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Liberty, Ouachita, Arkansas; Roll: T624_59; Page: 2B; Enumeration District: 0120; ; FHL microfilm: 1374072.

1920 United States Federal Census about Jordan Clark
Name: Jordan Clark
Age: 78
Birth Year: abt 1842
Birthplace: Georgia
Home in 1920: Liberty, Ouachita, Arkansas
Race: Black
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: Rosa Clark
Father’s Birthplace: Georgia
Mother’s Birthplace: Georgia
Home owned: Own
Able to read: No
Able to Write: No
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Jordan Clark 78
Rosa Clark 25
Wesley Hamp 8
Amy Clark 1
[1 11/12]
Source Citation: Year: 1920; Census Place: Liberty, Ouachita, Arkansas; Roll: T625_75; Page: 12B; Enumeration District: 146; Image: 218.

one thing i noticed is that the census records say jordan is black. and i can’t find a record for him before 1870. since he came from georgia, he might have been a former slave and the records would be difficult to find.

george clark and john clark are very common names.

an obituary might be very helpful.
perhaps a child’s delayed birth certificate, filed to show proof of age to social security 1/1/1937, when social security came into effect. maybe their social security application. file a SS-5 under the freedom of information act to see a deceased person’s application.

suzanne hamlet shatto