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Jessie christopher Logue and Bessie Jane Logue (Finks)

leatha wright leatha wright

posted on May 2, 2012 and updated on July 3, 2012

I was told we are part Choctaw,I am looking into our ancestry.The names above are great grandparents,my grandmother Sarah Edith logue (married name Powell)born april 27,1919,in oaklahoma. Mothers Maiden name was Finks. her father was Jesse christopher logue born 1884/5? died 1965 Bessie Jane Finks was her mother Born Union Laclede Missouri october 7, 1896 died Jan 1959 if anyone has info please let me know,I’ve tried the links below but I’m having a hard time..Thank You.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on May 2, 2012

jessie/jesse christopher logue b. unknown no place given m. bessie jane finks b. unknown no place given
sarah edith logue b. unknown, no place given m. ? powell

always clearly designate the maiden name and married name for females.
since no years or locations were given, i don’t know where to find them or when.

all of these names are common. with common names, you need more information rather than less information.

1920 United States Federal Census about Jess C Logue
Name: Jess C Logue
Age: 35
Birth Year: abt 1885
Birthplace: Texas
Home in 1920: North Choctaw, Lincoln, Oklahoma
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: Bessie Logue
Father’s Birthplace: Illinois
Mother’s Birthplace: United States
[United States of America]
Home owned: Own
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Jess C Logue 35
Bessie Logue 25
James R Logue 4
[4 4/12]
Clella M Logue 2
[2 4/12]
Edith Logue 0
[9/12]
Source Citation: Year: 1920; Census Place: North Choctaw, Lincoln, Oklahoma; Roll: T625_1469; Page: 6B; Enumeration District: 113; Image: 802.

Name: Bessie Logue
Age: 25
Birth Year: abt 1895
Birthplace: Missouri
Home in 1920: North Choctaw, Lincoln, Oklahoma
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: Jess C Logue
Father’s Birthplace: Missouri
Mother’s Birthplace: Missouri
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes

1910 United States Federal Census about Jessie Logue
Name: Jessie Logue
[Jesse Logue]
Age in 1910: 25
Birth Year: 1885
Birthplace: Texas
Home in 1910: North Choctaw, Lincoln, Oklahoma
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Son
Marital Status: Single
Father’s Name: Robert B Logue
Father’s Birthplace: Illinois
Mother’s Name: Sarah Logue
Mother’s Birthplace: Missouri
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert B Logue 66
Sarah Logue 66
Jessie Logue 25
Theodon Logue 7
Albert F Logue 5
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: North Choctaw, Lincoln, Oklahoma; Roll: T624_1259; Page: 9A; Enumeration District: 0101; Image: 316; FHL microfilm: 1375272.

1900 United States Federal Census about Jesse Logen
Name: Jesse Logen
[Jesse Logue]
Age: 15
Birth Date: Sep 1884
Birthplace: Texas
Home in 1900: North Choctaw, Lincoln, Oklahoma
[Lincoln]
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Son
Marital Status: Single
Father’s Name: Robert C Logen
Father’s Birthplace: Illinois
Mother’s Name: Sarah Logen
Mother’s Birthplace: Missouri
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert C Logen 56
Sarah Logen 57
Sarah Logen 32
Lycurges Logen 18
Jesse Logen 15
Dollie Logen 14
Claudia Logen 7
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: North Choctaw, Lincoln, Oklahoma; Roll: 1339; Page: 5A; Enumeration District: 124; FHL microfilm: 1241339.

since jesse logue was b. TX, this means that their family did not go on the trail of tears in the late 1830’s because the trail of tears did not go through texas. but there were many unofficial migrations to/through texas. some of these people are called mississippi choctaw but most were not enrolled in a tribe.
there are 63 tribes in oklahoma. location is a big factor in tribal affiliation, so you should look at nearby tribes.

your supposition that you could not own land if you were native american was incorrect.

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 about Jesse Logue
Name: Jesse Logue
County: Lincoln
State: Oklahoma
Birth Date: 3 Sep 1884
Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1851805
DraftBoard: 0

bessie logue is the nearest relative on this draft card. this card is available on ancestry.com.
your local public library probably has a subscription to ancestry.com.

1910 United States Federal Census about Bessie J Finks
Name: Bessie J Finks
Age in 1910: 15
Birth Year: 1895
Birthplace: Missouri
Home in 1910: North Choctaw, Lincoln, Oklahoma
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Marital Status: Single
Father’s Name: James R Finks
Father’s Birthplace: Missouri
Mother’s Name: Patsy Finks
Mother’s Birthplace: Missouri
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James R Finks 51
Patsy Finks 47
Nora E Finks 27
James W Finks 23
Henry L Finks 18
Bessie J Finks 15
Murtle M Finks 13
Semmie F Finks 8
Icy E Finks 6
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: North Choctaw, Lincoln, Oklahoma; Roll: T624_1259; Page: 3A; Enumeration District: 0101; Image: 304; FHL microfilm: 1375272.

1900 United States Federal Census about Bessie J Finks
Name: Bessie J Finks
Age: 5
Birth Date: Oct 1894
Birthplace: Missouri
Home in 1900: Gasconade, Laclede, Missouri
[Laclede]
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Marital Status: Single
Father’s Name: James R Finks
Father’s Birthplace: Missouri
Mother’s Name: Patsy F Finks
Mother’s Birthplace: Missouri
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James R Finks 40
Patsy F Finks 37
Nora E Finks 17
Caroll L Finks 15
James W Finks 13
Henry L Finks 8
Bessie J Finks 5
Myrtle M Finks 3
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Gasconade, Laclede, Missouri; Roll: 869; Page: 4B; Enumeration District: 64; FHL microfilm: 1240869.

and this family was not living in oklahoma by 1900.
the missouri state archives are pretty good.
http://www.sos.mo.gov/archives/resources/birthdeath/

try finding a tribe near where your family lived.
http://500nations.com/Missouri_Tribes.asp

http://www.native-languages.org/missouri.htm

http://missouri-vacations.com/missouri-native-american-history/index.htm

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/missouri/index.htm

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/siouan/missourihist.htm

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government agency for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times, names of family members. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

obituaries through the oklahoma choctaw tribe is through the history link for the tribe:
http://www.choctawnation.com/history/

social security application for a deceased person:
http://www.ssa.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm
form SS-5.

your public library probably has a subscription to heritage quest and ancestry.com. fold3.com is another useful database for native records and military records, but they are a subscription. however, many times their month’s subscription price is less than the price of a dawes packet, however check with accessgenealogy’s database to see if your relative’s dawes packet is exists or is available at fold3.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/dawes.php?s_last=green&s_first=mart&s_middle=&s_tribe=
partial names are allowed.

bear in mind that many records are not online. always collect documents, as just the reference to a relative in an index informs you that a document is available.

death records:
death certificate: state vital records or if very old, state archives. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. you can look at death indices, such as the social security death index 1964-present for a date of death on rootsweb.com or ancestry.com.
obituary: see your local public library, interlibrary loan program. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. approximate date of death is helpful. if old, state historical society or state archives might have historical newspapers.
cemetery record: try findagrave.com or interment.net. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. if you find a relative, you can click on the county or cemetery to see if others with the same surname are buried there.

marriage records:
state vital records office, county clerk or if old, state archives or state historical society.

birth records:
state vital records office, or if old, state archives or state historical society. if the birth was before 1940, ask for a birth certificate or a delayed birth certificate. many people had to get delayed birth certificates when social security came into effect because they had to show proof of age. this will be under the name used at the time of birth.

census records:
you will want to search for census records 1940 on down to the birth of your relative. the federal census was taken every 10 years, however the 1890 census was largely destroyed by fire. there are also some state census records and native census records and native rolls. ancestry.com and heritage quest are two databases that include many census records. many native census records kept by NARA (http://www.archives.gov) are transcribed at accessgenealogy.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

history of the dawes roll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Commission
wikipedia entries are sometimes opinionated; entered by volunteers.

helpful information about tribal enrollment
http://www.felihkatubbe.com/ChoctawNation/TribalMembership.html

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if your relative was enrolled by court action, their name might not be on this list.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
you can order the dawes packet from the oklahoma historical society website.

if you find a relative listed on the dawes roll, fold3 may have filmed the record and could be available online.
http://www.fold3.com/documents/46580455/dawes-packets/
other resources are NARA http://www.archives.gov

the five civilized tribes book put out by the department of the interior has testimony.
http://books.google.com/books/about/Five_civilized_tribes_in_Oklahoma.html?id=chATAAAAYAAJ
and you can read it online

and these are the microfilms at fort worth TX archives.
http://www.archives.gov/southwest/finding-aids/native-american-microfilm.html

there may be additional records about your relative:
contact NARA http://www.archives.gov for these and other records listed on this webpage.

75.23 RECORDS OF THE COMMISSIONER TO THE FIVE CIVILIZED TRIBES 1852-1919
75.23.1 Records of the Dawes Commission
75.23.2 Records of the U.S. Indian Inspector for Indian Territory
75.23.3 General records of the Commissioner to the Five Civilized Tribes
http://www.archives.gov/research/guide-fed-records/groups/075.html
(Record Group 75)
1793-1989

http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html
oklahoma newspaper and archives search. some of these resources may be available through interlibrary loan/public library.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/
some obituaries:
http://www.choctawnation.com/history/obituaries/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving your Choctaw Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents (application, census card and testimony) may help you find out more about your heritage.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears
http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes:
http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society
Historic Preservation and Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society
marriage records
http://www.okhistory.org/research/library/marriage.html
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/chocmarriageindex.htm

other historical societies:
http://www.daddezio.com/society/hill/SH-OK-NDX.html
some oklahoma genealogical societies:
http://www.censusfinder.com/oklahoma-genealogy-society.htm
http://www.geneasearch.com/societies/socokla.htm

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter
and you can read this book online. your relatives’ testimony might be in the book.
http://www.archive.org/details/fivecivilizedtr00statgoog
see the menu at left. you can download it.

you should look at the enrollment application, census card and testimony. this post will tell you how to do that. these documents will tell you more about your heritage, but it won’t help you if your goal is to be enrolled in the choctaw tribe of oklahoma. some people were classed as mississippi choctaw if the family had a native heritage but didn’t qualify for enrollment in the tribe.

there are 63 tribes in oklahoma but only the five major tribes are on the dawes roll. look at your family’s location around 1900-1930 time period (census will help you there) and see if there was a tribe located nearby. it is possible that your relatives were affiliated with another tribe.

if they were mississippi choctaw, there is probably a land grant in MS/AL to a head of household called choctaw scrip land. this was given in lieu of tribal enrollment 1830-1880 time period. ancestry.com has a database of the MS and AL choctaw scrip land records, called mississippi or alabama land records. there are other land records in those databases too,, so you have to look at the authority/source cited. NARA http://www.archives.gov has those land record packages.

the mississippi choctaw was not removed from oklahoma. but they were largely rejected for tribal enrollment.

this website might help you in your search. some people are trying to transcribe applications.
http://www.us-census.org/native/choctaw_dawes.html
i do not know what they are trying to transcribe, but this is the volunteer page
http://www.us-census.org/states/graphics/status.htm

and this might be of interest to you:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/choctaw/rights-of-choctaws.htm
Rights of Mississippi Choctaws in the Choctaw Nation

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalrolls/
Index to the Final Rolls of the Citizens and Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes in Indian Territory
the dawes roll is composed of applications to the five major tribes in oklahoma.

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

this page can help you set up a targeted google search.
http://www.searchforancestors.com/google/searcher.html

penny postcards. this is a website that features pictures that were on postcards. click on the state to see the postcards that they have.
http://www.usgwarchives.org/special/ppcs/ppcs.html
if you have a penny postcard, you can click on submissions to add your penny postcard to the collection.

these searches will combine several possible search terms and give you the best matches.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

leatha wright leatha wright

posted on July 3, 2012 and updated on July 3, 2012

wow thank you so much..sorry about the not being clear. Jesse Christopher Logue was born 1884 died 1965, Bessie Jane Finks was born !895 died 1959 Bessie was born in Union Laclede Missouri. her father was Daniel Logue born in Indiana Mother was Rosa Loague born in missouri jan 1877 married in 1892. I have gone thru the ansestry.com and came up with only this.Having a hard time just because I don’t know where else to go.Thank you for your help.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on July 3, 2012

i am not sure what you mean about “where else to go”. i do not know where you are trying to “go”, so it is difficult to answer this question.

Jessie christopher Logue and Bessie Jane Finks

which one was native? one of them or both?

you have information about how to find a tribe.

with bessie jane finks, you would have to look at missouri tribes.

with jessie christopher logue, you would have to look at texas tribes.

for both of these people, you have a location.

you may be having a hard time because you want to enroll in a tribe, i would guess. you have to see if your family was affiliated with a particular tribe, looking at the location where they lived. if they were, you can ask that tribe if your family applied. there are many tribes, federally recognized or state recognized.

there were many natives that didn’t apply for enrollment with any tribe. enrollment was controversial. many natives in KY/TN/NC/GA were not living on a reservation by choice, and you can find them in the federal census records. natives living on reservation in the 1800’s were enumerated with native databases and rolls, native census records because they were not taxed.

tribal heritage and tribal enrollment are two different topics. tribes were enrolling in the 1900-1930 time period, by and large, although there are still tribes seeking recognition. there are federally and state recognized tribes.

but if you are trying to “prove” that your family was native, and they didn’t enroll in a tribe, you may have a more difficult time finding native affiliation. there might be trading logs, historical newspaper mentions, choctaw scrip land records, county land and court records that might mention a tribal affiliation with a relative. many of these type of records might be available through the state historical society and state archives. you might be able to get access to these resources and local history books through your local public library interlibrary loan.

tribal termination land grants, called (tribe) scrip land, were given in lieu of tribal enrollment. these records are at NARA http://www.archives.gov. ancestry.com has a list of MS/AL land records that contains these land records, as well as homestead records, and if your family came from these areas, you should search for a choctaw scrip land grant under the name of the head of house.

i would advise you to gather your documents about your family. childrens’ documents fix the family to a particular date and location and often give you information about the parents. after you have gathered documents, you will know more about your family. then you can try to find a tribal affiliation. look at the locations in the 1830-1930 time period. earlier times, the name of the head of household was used in documents.

in my opinion, you need to know where your family lived, when they lived, who were the family members. you need to gather documents. after you have done this, then you can look for native records. you cannot start at the end of the process and expect to find good information.

if you look on rootsweb.com worldconnect records, you will see that there are some researchers that are interested in your family. you should contact them and share information and sources.

http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=fwells&id=I1929

gl.