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Crystal Crystal

posted on April 28, 2012 and updated on May 10, 2012

I am looking for any information on a “Charles King”, and his daughter “Sarah King”, Sarah is my great grandmother and I have little information on her. I would love to learn more, from anyone who knows about this family line. Sarah married a Benjamin Sherod Horn(e) he later dropped the (e) from his name for reasons I am not sure of.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on April 28, 2012

Charles King b. 1814 MS d. December 17, 1855 OK
Sarah Elizabeth King, b. ~1840. m. Benjamin Sherrod Horne Abt. 1856 in Newton Co., MS

you did the right thing by putting your family on rootsweb. is it on rootsweb worldconnect records as well? i have contacted people who put their records on worldconnect and some people have contacted me.

there was a message posted about where to get information that ties charles to mushalutubbee.
Moshulatubbee New
Betty J. King (View posts) Posted: 9 May 2000 12:00PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Moshulatubbee, King, Trehern
Moshulatubbee (Mushulatubbee and other variants) was elected by the Choctaws, against the U. S. Governments orders, as Chief of the Choctaws until his death, 1838. He signed The Dancing Rabbit Treaty in 1830 and removed with others, to the Choctaw Nation West and is on the Muster for December, 1832. He is not buried at Hall Cemetery. He is buried at Latham, about 500 feet south of the Old Council House, near where his home was located. The burying place is on private property behind the marker for the James Trehern Butterfield Stage Line marker. The “mound” is now gone. It has been known by several generations of the family that owns the land that Moshulatubbee is buried there. The Oklahoma Historical Society installed the granite marker at Hall Cemetery several years ago. The sons of Moshulatubbee, proven by U. S. Congressional Records and a missionary report dated 1824 and a letter written by Moshulatubbee, were James Madison King and full brother, Hiram King by part Indian wife. Peter King and Charles King, full brothers by full-blood wife.

another message:
Hello, James. Filleh-kah chee (Charles King) was full-blood Choctaw Indian, the son of Choctaw Chief Moshulatubbee (Mushulatubbe) and full-blood Choctaw wife. According to the 1824 missionary report of Adin Gibbs, 1824, “Charles King the youngest of the four brothers, is an own brother to Peter and more pleasant. He is still reading in the child’s first reading book and is next to the last in class…
Peter King-the eldest of the four is between 12 & 13 years of age, clear choctaw.
James M(adison)King the next younger is not clear Choctaw…
Hiram the next younger and an own brother to James…” Hiram and James were the sons of Moshulatubbee and part Choctaw Indian wife.

Hiram was born July 2, 1813, so Charles was younger than Hiram. He would have been born at a later date than 1813.

Chief Moshulatubbee was in Choctaw Nation West (Oklahoma) along with Hiram, Dec 1832, as listed on the muster.
Hiram King was a Captain of the Choctaws
Charles King married Wisey and according to Dawes roll #5608 Lucy King Bohanan, age 70 was the daughter of Charles King and Wisey. Lucy King testified in the Bottoms case that she was the granddaughter of Chief Moshulatubbee.

It is thought that Charles, son of Mushualatubbee drowned in a river north of the Arkansas River not too long after the family came to Indian Territory. It is thought he is buried at Latham, Leflore County, OK near his father.
James Madison King is buried in Haskell County, OK
Hiram King is buried in Carroll County, MS and is my husband’s gggreatgrandfather. Peter King is thought to have died in the 1880s in Winston County, MS

Hiram King returned to Mississippi in about 1837 and never returned to Choctaw Nation West. Moshulatubbee lived at Brooksville and also had a home at Mashulaville, in present day Noxubee County.

I don’t know who your Charles in Newton County, MS is.

unfortunately, the last message that this person left was in 2001. so it is doubtful that you can contact her again.
she may have left some information at the oklahoma historical society, though.

you might also check findagrave.com and interment.net to see if they list a grave for charles.

king is a common surname. so you might have to figure out if you have the right charles king.

http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.northam.usa.states.oklahoma.prestatehood.indianterr1900.choctaw/271.299.594.734.199.208/mb.ashx

reading the exchange about charles king and mushulatubbee, i feel that one of the people has some fairly strong opinions that might cloud the inquiry. always, look for documents and let the documents tell you information.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government agency for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times, names of family members. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

obituaries through the oklahoma choctaw tribe is through the history link for the tribe:
http://www.choctawnation.com/history/

social security application for a deceased person:
http://www.ssa.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm
form SS-5.

your public library probably has a subscription to heritage quest and ancestry.com. fold3.com is another useful database for native records and military records, but they are a subscription. however, many times their month’s subscription price is less than the price of a dawes packet, however check with accessgenealogy’s database to see if your relative’s dawes packet is exists or is available at fold3.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/dawes.php?s_last=green&s_first=mart&s_middle=&s_tribe=
partial names are allowed.

bear in mind that many records are not online. always collect documents, as just the reference to a relative in an index informs you that a document is available.

death records:
death certificate: state vital records or if very old, state archives. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. you can look at death indices, such as the social security death index 1964-present for a date of death on rootsweb.com or ancestry.com.
obituary: see your local public library, interlibrary loan program. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. approximate date of death is helpful. if old, state historical society or state archives might have historical newspapers.
cemetery record: try findagrave.com or interment.net. ask for the person’s name at the time of death. if you find a relative, you can click on the county or cemetery to see if others with the same surname are buried there.

marriage records:
state vital records office, county clerk or if old, state archives or state historical society.

birth records:
state vital records office, or if old, state archives or state historical society. if the birth was before 1940, ask for a birth certificate or a delayed birth certificate. many people had to get delayed birth certificates when social security came into effect because they had to show proof of age. this will be under the name used at the time of birth.

census records:
you will want to search for census records 1940 on down to the birth of your relative. the federal census was taken every 10 years, however the 1890 census was largely destroyed by fire. there are also some state census records and native census records and native rolls. ancestry.com and heritage quest are two databases that include many census records. many native census records kept by NARA (http://www.archives.gov) are transcribed at accessgenealogy.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

history of the dawes roll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Commission
wikipedia entries are sometimes opinionated; entered by volunteers.

helpful information about tribal enrollment
http://www.felihkatubbe.com/ChoctawNation/TribalMembership.html

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if your relative was enrolled by court action, their name might not be on this list.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
you can order the dawes packet from the oklahoma historical society website.

if you find a relative listed on the dawes roll, fold3 may have filmed the record and could be available online.
http://www.fold3.com/documents/46580455/dawes-packets/
other resources are NARA http://www.archives.gov

the five civilized tribes book put out by the department of the interior has testimony.
http://books.google.com/books/about/Five_civilized_tribes_in_Oklahoma.html?id=chATAAAAYAAJ
and you can read it online

and these are the microfilms at fort worth TX archives.
http://www.archives.gov/southwest/finding-aids/native-american-microfilm.html

there may be additional records about your relative:
contact NARA http://www.archives.gov for these and other records listed on this webpage.

75.23 RECORDS OF THE COMMISSIONER TO THE FIVE CIVILIZED TRIBES 1852-1919
75.23.1 Records of the Dawes Commission
75.23.2 Records of the U.S. Indian Inspector for Indian Territory
75.23.3 General records of the Commissioner to the Five Civilized Tribes
http://www.archives.gov/research/guide-fed-records/groups/075.html
(Record Group 75)
1793-1989

http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html
oklahoma newspaper and archives search. some of these resources may be available through interlibrary loan/public library.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/
some obituaries:
http://www.choctawnation.com/history/obituaries/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving your Choctaw Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents (application, census card and testimony) may help you find out more about your heritage.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears
http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes:
http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society
Historic Preservation and Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society
marriage records
http://www.okhistory.org/research/library/marriage.html
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/chocmarriageindex.htm

other historical societies:
http://www.daddezio.com/society/hill/SH-OK-NDX.html
some oklahoma genealogical societies:
http://www.censusfinder.com/oklahoma-genealogy-society.htm
http://www.geneasearch.com/societies/socokla.htm

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter
and you can read this book online. your relatives’ testimony might be in the book.
http://www.archive.org/details/fivecivilizedtr00statgoog
see the menu at left. you can download it.

you should look at the enrollment application, census card and testimony. this post will tell you how to do that. these documents will tell you more about your heritage, but it won’t help you if your goal is to be enrolled in the choctaw tribe of oklahoma. some people were classed as mississippi choctaw if the family had a native heritage but didn’t qualify for enrollment in the tribe.

there are 63 tribes in oklahoma but only the five major tribes are on the dawes roll. look at your family’s location around 1900-1930 time period (census will help you there) and see if there was a tribe located nearby. it is possible that your relatives were affiliated with another tribe.

if they were mississippi choctaw, there is probably a land grant in MS/AL to a head of household called choctaw scrip land. this was given in lieu of tribal enrollment 1830-1880 time period. ancestry.com has a database of the MS and AL choctaw scrip land records, called mississippi or alabama land records. there are other land records in those databases too,, so you have to look at the authority/source cited. NARA http://www.archives.gov has those land record packages.

the mississippi choctaw was not removed from oklahoma. but they were largely rejected for tribal enrollment.

this website might help you in your search. some people are trying to transcribe applications.
http://www.us-census.org/native/choctaw_dawes.html
i do not know what they are trying to transcribe, but this is the volunteer page
http://www.us-census.org/states/graphics/status.htm

and this might be of interest to you:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/choctaw/rights-of-choctaws.htm
Rights of Mississippi Choctaws in the Choctaw Nation

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalrolls/
Index to the Final Rolls of the Citizens and Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes in Indian Territory
the dawes roll is composed of applications to the five major tribes in oklahoma.

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

this page can help you set up a targeted google search.
http://www.searchforancestors.com/google/searcher.html

penny postcards. this is a website that features pictures that were on postcards. click on the state to see the postcards that they have.
http://www.usgwarchives.org/special/ppcs/ppcs.html
if you have a penny postcard, you can click on submissions to add your penny postcard to the collection.

these searches will combine several possible search terms and give you the best matches.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Crystal Crystal

posted on April 30, 2012

The page that I found, has sarah elizabth horn (king, maiden) and Benjamin Sherod horn listed but does not have their children listed, I am fairly new at this, and wondered how I might find their children. I looked over the links you gave me but I seem to be confused.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on April 30, 2012

if their children were not listed, that person 1) might not have followed that family because they were more directly related to another child, 2) might not have documents. you can help them with this if you correspond with this. cousins like to hear from other cousins.

i don’t know what you are confused about. we do genealogy from child backwards to parents, acquire documents, repeat this process to go backwards in time.

we let documents tell the story.

with native lines, you will find that there is a point where you cannot find documents. native tradition was oral, not written, so natives don’t have earlier records. NARA has the war department records 1800-1930 or so. http://www.archives.gov

as you can see, there is a conflict between the information provided by one poster (charles passed away in oklahoma, migrated with father’s family) and another poster (charles passed away in mississippi, did not migrate with father). i suggest that there might be more than one charles king involved. charles king is a common name. i would suggest that it is more likely that betty j. king would have been correct, as it appears to me that she built her line more carefully than the other person, is able to discuss sources of information. but i don’t know. you would have to collect the documents to find out.

build your documents from the child to the parent and you will be able to find out which one of them might be correct.

susan king stockton susan king stockton

posted on September 11, 2012

from what my daughter has found is that moshulatubbee and onamaiya had a son named james madison. james married jane doe pikey and they had a son named anderson. anderson king married lizzie doe. their son’s name was mckee. mckee king married nancy skinner and had my grandfather harold j king. I am interested in any info on these family members. this information is way more than we have known. it is wonderful to be able to learn about me.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on September 11, 2012

look at peoples’ family trees. you will find that dates and locations are very important, with birth, marriages and deaths.

there were MANY people who lived in the united states and you are asking about fairly common names.

this is from the 1885 choctaw census:

U.S., Indian Census Rolls, 1885-1940 about Mckee King
Name: Mckee King
Date of Birth: abt 1873
Age: 12
Gender: Male
Tribe: Choctaw
Agency: Union
Last Census Number: 284
Census Date: 1885
Neighbors: View others on page

it appears he is living with a joseph coly? and a sophia coly? who appears to be his wife. i would suspect that sophia is a relation to the family.

Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Campbell Calvin 0 M 4053 P
Choctaw Campbell Mary 0 F 4053 P
Choctaw Jones Adaline 0 F 4053 P
Choctaw Jones Jamison 0 M 4053 P
Choctaw Jones Julia 3 F FULL 4053 NR LEGAL BB
Choctaw Jones Dora 12 F FULL 4053 NR LEGAL BB
Choctaw King James 0 M 4053 P
Choctaw King Lizzie 0 F 4053 P
Choctaw King Pikey 0 F 4053 P
Choctaw King Anderson Jr 10 M FULL 4053 NR LEGAL BB
Choctaw King McGee 12 M FULL 4053 NR LEGAL BB
Choctaw King Anderson 58 M FULL 4053 NR LEGAL BB
Choctaw King Louvina 65 F 1/4 4053 NR LEGAL BB
bb=by blood
p=parent
you should get a copy of the census card, enrollment application, testimony and supporting documents.
fold3, an online resource for many of these documents, does not have this information available. but oklahoma historical society http://www.okhistory.org/ and NARA http://www.archives.gov fort worth, TX office have this information.

you start from the child and gather documents. childrens’ documents point to the parents.

i can tell you that some of the information is controversial and i suspect that documents might not have been gathered for some of the people in the family.

some of the names are common, so you need dates and locations.

ken earl king ken earl king

posted on May 6, 2013

Hi susan, this is ken, your cousin, Mcgee was my greatgrandfather, Roy King was my grandfather, how can I help you. My email is kenearlking@charter.net