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Vernon Prather Vernon Prather

posted on March 4, 2012 and updated on March 8, 2012

Good Day, We are looking for a link to the Choctaw Nation. My mother remembers visiting her father’s family in Francitas, Texas and being told that her Great Grandmother was a Princess and that her name was Fox or Wolf (The Stevens meet in the Salt Flats of Louisiana) who married a us calvary man by the last name of Stevens. Mom was given a piece of paper from her father ( George William Green, born March 25, 1906-Died, Oct. 23, 79). The paper states: The Mississippie Choctaw Investment Co. Claim Agent representing Mississippi Choctaw Indians….. Filed in 1917. Granddad kept the paper in a safety deposit box till it was given to my mom, Hazel Prather. A copy is attached. Looking through the family information we are thinking that the link may come from the Gibson side of the family.

attached:

Vernon Prather Vernon Prather

posted on March 4, 2012

I can also remember my Grandfather going to Oklohoma to the reservation for family visits.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on March 4, 2012

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/CHOCTAW-SOUTHEAST/2002-09/1033438980
history of mississippi choctaw and choctaw
http://iweb.tntech.edu/kosburn/history-444/The%20Identified%20Full-Bloods.htm

that document is historical only.

the trail of tears did not go through texas in the late 1830’s but there were many unofficial migrations from the southeast to/through texas.

the mississippi choctaw and the choctaw were once one tribe of the choctaw nation, but after the treaty of rabbit creek, the federal government ordered that the choctaw move to indian territory/oklahoma in the 1830’s. but many did not move. the natives that did not move were called mississippi choctaw. some received land grants in lieu of tribal enrollment called scrip. these were generally given to heads of household 1830-1880 or so, in MS and AL.

the idea of a princess is more a european one than a native one. there were native chiefs for many things, such as storytelling chief, war chief, peace chief, and the people in a particular band of natives would follow people in those roles or not. and if not, someone else became storytelling chief. there were roles for each person in the band.

the choctaw tribe was an overriding affiliation, but natives lived in bands.

i do not understand your post about the stevens. you might find more information as you do your family’s genealogy.

you have things in your post except birth location, death location.

Social Security Death Index about George Green
Name: George Green
SSN: 457-05-3543
Last Residence: 78410 Corpus Christi, Nueces, Texas, United States of America
Born: 25 Mar 1906
Died: Oct 1979
State (Year) SSN issued: Texas (Before 1951)

Texas Death Index, 1903-2000 about George Green
Name: George Green
Death Date: 23 Oct 1979
Death County: Bee
Gender: Male

For information on how to order a copy of a death certificate, visit the Texas Department of State Health Services website (www.tdh.state.tx.us) or write to:

Texas Department of Health, Bureau of Vital Statistics
P. O. Box 12040
Austin, TX 78711-2040
(512) 458-7111

i start at the death and work backwards in time.
when you seek the death certificate, it will tell you the birth location. then you can ask for a birth certificate or a delayed birth certificate from the state where he was born. ask for both.

some have already begun researching your family on ancestry.com and posting a tree. there may be other family trees on rootsweb.com worldconnect records.

George William Green
Birth 25 Mar 1906 in Edna, Jackson, Texas, USA
Death Oct 1979 in Corpus Christi, Nueces, Texas, USA

parents:
Martin Syrus “Bill” Green (maybe cyrus)
Birth Nov 1878 in Lavaca, Texas, USA
Death 22 Sep 1961 in Matagorda, Texas, USA

Anna Carmiellia “Annie” Gibson
Birth 5 Feb 1879 in Hays Co, , Texas, USA
Death 19 Nov 1935 in Edna, Jackson, Texas, USA
there are pictures.

parents of martin green:
George William Green
Birth Mar 1851 in North Carolina, USA
Death 30 Jul 1919 in Jackson County, Texas, USA
Frances M. “Fannie” Bell
Birth 1856 in Perry County, Mississippi, USA
Death

her father:

John J Bell
Birth 1833 in , Muscogee County, Georgia, USA
Death 1878 in , Lavaca County, Texas, USA
her mother:
Mary Elizabeth Bell
Birth 1833 in Perry County, Mississippi, USA
Death

this will be challenging because these are common surnames.

parents of anna gibson:

William E Gibson
Birth 18 Jul 1846 in , Goliad, Texas, USA
Death 10 Jan 1899 in Victoria,,Texas,USA
Sarah Jane Stevens
Birth 21 Jul 1848 in Marion Co, , Arkansas, USA
Death 7 Dec 1911 in Bandera Co, , Texas, USA

parents of william gibson:
Leroy Gibson
Birth Feb 1822 in , , Tennessee, USA
Death 13 Mar 1901 in Goliad, Goliad, Texas, USA

Sarah Onstott
Birth 1823 in , Jasper, Missouri, USA
Death 26 Feb 1912

since your relatives lived in texas at the time of the dawes roll, it is doubtful they applied for membership in the choctaw tribe in oklahoma.
there are no martin green records on the dawes roll 1896-1906.

you may be able to show affiliation, in your research of your family genealogy, but enrollment might be more illusive. in any case, you should look at the tribes in the areas where they lived and check with those tribes to find out whether your relatives were enrolled.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government agency for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times, names of family members. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

social security application for a deceased person:
http://www.ssa.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

history of the dawes roll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Commission
wikipedia entries are sometimes opinionated; entered by volunteers.

helpful information about tribal enrollment
http://www.felihkatubbe.com/ChoctawNation/TribalMembership.html

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
you can order the dawes packet from the oklahoma historical society website.

if you find a relative listed on the dawes roll, fold3 may have filmed the record and could be available online.
http://www.fold3.com/documents/46580455/dawes-packets/
other resources are NARA http://www.archives.gov

the five civilized tribes book put out by the department of the interior has testimony.
http://books.google.com/books/about/Five_civilized_tribes_in_Oklahoma.html?id=chATAAAAYAAJ
and you can read it online

and these are the microfilms at fort worth TX archives.
http://www.archives.gov/southwest/finding-aids/native-american-microfilm.html

http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html
oklahoma newspaper and archives search. some of these resources may be available through interlibrary loan/public library.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/
some obituaries:
http://www.choctawnation.com/history/obituaries/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving your Choctaw Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents (application, census card and testimony) may help you find out more about your heritage.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears
http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes:
http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society
Historic Preservation and Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society
marriage records
http://www.okhistory.org/research/library/marriage.html
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/chocmarriageindex.htm

other historical societies:
http://www.daddezio.com/society/hill/SH-OK-NDX.html
some oklahoma genealogical societies:
http://www.censusfinder.com/oklahoma-genealogy-society.htm
http://www.geneasearch.com/societies/socokla.htm

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter
and you can read this book online. your relatives’ testimony might be in the book.
http://www.archive.org/details/fivecivilizedtr00statgoog
see the menu at left. you can download it.

you should look at the enrollment application, census card and testimony. this post will tell you how to do that. these documents will tell you more about your heritage, but it won’t help you if your goal is to be enrolled in the choctaw tribe of oklahoma. some people were classed as mississippi choctaw if the family had a native heritage but didn’t qualify for enrollment in the tribe.

there are 63 tribes in oklahoma but only the five major tribes are on the dawes roll. look at your family’s location around 1900-1930 time period (census will help you there) and see if there was a tribe located nearby. it is possible that your relatives were affiliated with another tribe.

if they were mississippi choctaw, there is probably a land grant in MS/AL to a head of household called choctaw scrip land. this was given in lieu of tribal enrollment 1830-1880 time period. ancestry.com has a database of the MS and AL choctaw scrip land records, called mississippi or alabama land records. there are other land records in those databases too,, so you have to look at the authority/source cited. NARA http://www.archives.gov has those land record packages.

the mississippi choctaw was not removed from oklahoma. but they were largely rejected for tribal enrollment.

this website might help you in your search. some people are trying to transcribe applications.
http://www.us-census.org/native/choctaw_dawes.html
i do not know what they are trying to transcribe, but this is the volunteer page
http://www.us-census.org/states/graphics/status.htm

and this might be of interest to you:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/choctaw/rights-of-choctaws.htm
Rights of Mississippi Choctaws in the Choctaw Nation

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalrolls/
Index to the Final Rolls of the Citizens and Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes in Indian Territory
the dawes roll is composed of applications to the five major tribes in oklahoma.

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

this page can help you set up a targeted google search.
http://www.searchforancestors.com/google/searcher.html

penny postcards. this is a website that features pictures that were on postcards. click on the state to see the postcards that they have.
http://www.usgwarchives.org/special/ppcs/ppcs.html
if you have a penny postcard, you can click on submissions to add your penny postcard to the collection.

these searches will combine several possible search terms and give you the best matches.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Vernon Prather Vernon Prather

posted on March 10, 2012

Thank you for responding to my post. I am just
learning how to research this family stuff and really appreciate all the information you have given.

Mom (Hazel) says that Bill Green (her Granddad) had a chest with some of (Grandmother) Annie Gibson Green’s items. She was not allowed to get into it, but he did open it once and he showed her a sheep skin map of the Oklahoma territory that was rolled up. Bill was a trapper, Annie died when Mom was around 2. She lived with her grandfather for about 2 or 3 years in Francitas, Texas. Bill and Annie are the relatives that traveled to Oklahoma to live on the reservation. When Bill was in the nursing home, his house burned down. Hazel is pretty sure that everything went with the fire.

Martin Sy rus “Bill” Green (maybe cyru
Birth Nov 1878 in Lavaca, Texas, USA get
Death 22 Sep 1961 in Matagorda, Texas, USA

Anna Carmiellia “Annie” Gibson
Birth 5 Feb 1879 in Hays Co, , Texas, USA
Death 19 Nov 1935 in Edna, Jackson, Texas, USA
there are pictures.

I am attempting to find information on Fannie Mae and Jessie, Sister’ s of George Green. Both ladies had contacts from Oklahoma and Fannie Mae spent time there.

Name: George Green
SSN: 457-05-3543
Last Residence: 78410 Corpus Christi, Nueces, Texas, United States of America
Born: 25 Mar 1906
Died: Oct 1979
State (Year) SSN issued: Texas (Before 1951)

About the document that I attached. Do you have any idea why Granddad, George Green, would keep it in a safety deposit box?

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on March 10, 2012

you might find an obituary of george green. that might tell you where they were living at the time of his death. see your local public library for that. also, his death certificate, then his birth certificate or delayed birth certificate might help you with your family genealogy.

as far as the document, george green might have kept the document because it was the only tie that he knew of to the choctaw tribe. the mississippi choctaw tribe were disenfranchised. his family decided to leave the reservation, which gave up a “right” to enroll in the mississippi choctaw in mississippi. and because his ancestors chose to accept tribal termination rather than go on the trail of tears in the late 1830’s, the federal government set enrollment for the oklahoma tribe (the natives that migrated from the southeastern reservations to oklahoma) through the dawes roll, but did not do so at the same time for mississippi.
some of the mississippi choctaw were enrolled, but these were few.

families were split up by the trail of tears migration and tribal enrollment.

in the late 1800’s, the agents in mississippi told the natives still living in mississippi that the choctaw tribe was enrolling in oklahoma/indian territory and that they should go there to get enrolled. many families did migrate westward. many migrations went to/through texas.

anyone has a “right to sue” on the basis of all of this, but few claims were upheld. that paper was an action like that.

the historical events will help you understand why he might have hoped for a claim in a tribe. look up the links on mississippi choctaw and the treaty of rabbit creek.

there might be legal documents for that case, i don’t know.