Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma

i am not sure how you got “gibson, lawrence, bell, bloodworth”. maybe these are married names?
no dates of birth, place of birth on this.

there is a card# for these family groups.
where did you get these enrollment numbers?
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php

this might be your eliza with a family group:
Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Chickasaw Bell Grant 0 M 436 P
Chickasaw Bell Grant 0 M 436 P
Chickasaw Bell U G 0 M 436 P
Chickasaw Bell W G 0 M 436 P
Chickasaw Bell Delila Lucinda 1 F 1/4 436 NR BB
Chickasaw Bell Delilia Lucinda 1 F 1/4 436 NR BB
Chickasaw Bell Emma O 1 F 1/4 436 NR BB
Chickasaw Bell Emmo O 1 F 1/4 436 NR BB
Chickasaw Bell Grant 1 M 1/4 436 NR BB
Chickasaw Bell Grant 1 M 1/4 436 NR BB
Chickasaw Bell Eliza 25 F 1/2 436 NR BB
Chickasaw Bell Eliza 25 F 1/2 436 NR BB
Chickasaw Gibson Calvin 0 M 436 P
Chickasaw Gibson Calvin 0 M 436 P
Chickasaw Gibson Nancy 0 F 436 P
Chickasaw Gibson Nancy 0 F 436 P
Chickasaw Gibson Douglas 9 M 1/2 436 NR BB
Chickasaw Gibson Douglas 9 M 1/2 436 NR BB
Chickasaw Lawrence Osborne 0 M 436 P
Chickasaw Lawrence Osborne 0 M 436 P
Chickasaw Lawrence Azzie Anna 3 F 1/4 436 NR BB
Chickasaw Lawrence Azzie Anna 3 F 1/4 436 NR BB

you should write for a copy of the enrollment application and census card.
p=parent
bb=by blood
Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Bell Grant 0 M 5386 P
Choctaw Bell U G 0 M 5386 P
Choctaw Bell Delila Lucinda 1 F 1/4 5386 NR FOSTER BB
Choctaw Bell Emma O 1 F 1/4 5386 NR FOSTER BB
Choctaw Bell Grant 1 M 1/4 5386 NR FOSTER BB
Choctaw Bell Eliza 25 F 1/2 5386 NR FOSTER BB
Choctaw Gibson Calvin 0 M 5386 P
Choctaw Gibson Nancy 0 F 5386 P
Choctaw Gibson Douglas 9 M 1/2 5386 NR FOSTER BB
Choctaw Lawrence Osborne 0 M 5386 P
Choctaw Lawrence Azzie Anna 3 F 1/4 5386 NR FOSTER BB

you can get those from NARA http://www.nara.gov fort worth office
maybe the tribe.
the oklahoma historical society http://www.okhistory.org/
and maybe footnote http://www.footnote.com

natives that live on reservations in the 1800’s were not enumerated on the federal census taken every 10 years. but there were records, databases, native census records, rolls. look on the bottom and left of the dawes webpage

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather thann less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Thank you so much for your response Suzanne. I did get a lot of information from footnote.com, and my family tree in progress at Ancestry.com is under my name: Willa Mae Downey. Yes, my great grandmother Eliza was born Gibson, then she married Osborne Lawrence, Ulysses Grant Bell, and thirdly Charles Cleveland Bloodworth, “my great grandfather”.
I have compiled 6 volums on this family, and still can’t figure out much on Eliza’s parents Calvin and Nancy. They were probably deceased at the time of enrollment. I believe that Eliza was born @1871-1873. I have belonged to a yahoo group titled gibsonsandancestors for three years now and I just can’t fit them in, possibly the Gibson was a slave holder’s name? Maybe owned one of my Gibsons or possibly one of my Native American ancestors owned slaves themselves. It has been one tough road to try to figure it out!
Supposedly Calvin had a brother named Reuben Dawes roll # 150 who married Nicey Waters Dawes roll # 151. They had a son named Robert E. Lee Gibson Dawes roll # 152. There is also a Ellis Gibson who murdered his wife. I have all of that on Ancestry. Also I believe that a Jim Gibson was the father of Calvin, Reuben, and possibly Ellis Gibson. Jim Gibson was the 1/2 brother to Shemonta and Wife Pisahemaya. Shemonta and Pisahemaya were the parents of Isaac Shamonta Gibson who married Selina Lucinda McKinney Gibson ‘the daughter of Jesse McKinney’. The children of Isaac Shamonta Gibson and Selina Lucinda McKinney Gibson were: Dixon W. Gibson and wife Dicey
Josiah Gibson
Joseph Gibson, Josiah and Joseph were both married to Emily Loomer
Nancy Gibson who married Jacob Sumpter
and Silas Gibson who married Minnie Brow
I hope I haven’t confused you. If you can think of anything else you may need, just let me know. I do have dates for most of these people.
If Jim Gibson was the 1/2 brother of just “Shamonta” they must of had the same mother.
According to a Mary Gibson’s testimony, she is the one that testified that Jim was the 1/2 brother to Shamonta, I found on footnote.com 54156671 it states: Commission to the Five Civilized Tribes, Tushkahoma, Indian Territory. In the matter of Nancy Freeman as a Choctaw by blood. this is on pg 7
Question, Ask her if “Jim Gibson” wasn’t her uncle? Answer Says it was her father’s brother.
Question, Ask her if Reuben and Calvin was his children? Answer They were Jim Gibson’s children she says.

Mary was a sister to Shamonta.
Thank you so much,
Willa Mae Downey Carter

i don’t need anything. i think you have the best facts. calvin and nancy were named, so there must be something in the enrollment application and testimony. this might help you find records.

when you request information, you should be specific about what you want: such as cemetery record, birth record, enrollment, marriage record. you should cite what documents you do have already, with date and location. that way someone won’t be duplicating your effort.

natives often took favorite places/people’s names. and sometimes they had a new favorite person/place and changed their name. the war department didn’t really get into continuity of record of people until after the trail of tears. some of those early records are in native tongue, transliterated in the records. choctaw wasn’t a written language until the middle of the 1800’s, so there are no records by the tribe until much later, when the dawes commission was trying to help establish a tribal government.

there are other records, such as local history books, newspaper mentions. you might look at the oklahoma pioneer papers and see if there is any information there. the oklahoma chronicles might also have some mention.

i am glad you seem to have found what you were looking for.

Thank you Suzanne for your help. I appreciate it very much! Also, with me posting this, it may help someone else, and maybe I’ll even find some new cousins with more information than I have. Thanks again,
Willa Mae Downey-Carter

re: finding relations.
you should look at/post on rootsweb.com, genealogy.com with surname and location messageboards.
if you put your family tree on rootsweb’s worldconnect, people might be able to find your family.

i learned to keep an email address at yahoo or hotmail or gmail because then this email address would not change when i changed providers.

posts can be available for years on messageboards.

people who are interested in genealogy are also usually interested in hearing from/meeting cousins.

My name is Kelli Hankins. I am trying to find out more information about my family history. I am interested in Emily and Josiah Gibson. I am not sure if this is the same Emily in your post. Emily and Josiah Are the names of my great great grandmother and great great grandfather. All I know is this: Emily and Josiah were the parents of Emily Ruth Gibson. Emily Ruth then married Jess Rochelle who were the parents of my grandmother Helen Rochelle. That is as far as my history goes. Please let me know if you have any idea if this is the same people as you have previously stated. Thank you

they look as if they might be the same family. here josiah is living with some loomers and married to emily.

Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Elmore, Garvin, Oklahoma; Roll T624_1252; Page: 12A; Enumeration District: 75; Image: 199.

it appears that josiah is the brother-in-law of the head of household.
this census page and the next have a lot of the families mentioned in this post.
it appears that ruth was b. 1909 OK
josiah and emily were married 9 years.

if she doesn’t contact you through this board, you might try leaving a message through this messageboard
http://genforum.genealogy.com/gibson/messages/13023.html