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Marla Wright Marla Wright

posted on February 22, 2012

I’m looking for information on John N. Petray born around 1845-1847 in Arkansas. He was married to P.W. Petray and had a daughter named Mary Alice. Have been told that he was part Choctaw, but have not been able to find anything. From the census from 1850-1880 he was in Arkansas & 1900 – Indian Territory 1910-20 in Graham, Carter Co. Oklahoma. He died sometime after 1920 & is buried in Graham Cemetery. He was a union soildier Company N, 3rd Ark Cav. If anyone has any information please share.

Marla Wright

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on February 22, 2012

this must be one of the census records you are looking at.
Name: John N Petray
Age in 1910: 64
Birth Year: 1846
Birthplace: Arkansas
Home in 1910: Graham, Carter, Oklahoma
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
[Self (Head)]
Marital Status: Widowed
Father’s Birthplace: North Carolina
Mother’s Birthplace: North Carolina
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John N Petray 64
Lura P Petray 11

Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Graham, Carter, Oklahoma; Roll: T624_1246; Page: 18A; Enumeration District: 0049; Image: 1002; FHL Number: 1375259.

no birthdate for mary alice petray, nor her spouse’s name or children’s names.

it appears the family was classified as mississippi choctaw refused, MCR.
but if this is your family, you might want to get a copy of the enrollment application, census card and testimony.

Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Flatt John 0 M MCR1037 P
Choctaw Flatt Della 7 F 1/32 MCR1037 MCR
Choctaw Flatt Ida Bell 27 F 1/16 MCR1037 MCR
Choctaw Petray John N 0 M MCR1037 P
Choctaw Petray Willie F 0 F MCR1037 P
p=parent

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Petray John N 0 M MCR1039 P
Choctaw Petray Willie F 0 F MCR1039 P
Choctaw Reed Austin 0 M MCR1039 P
Choctaw Reed Elmer Guy 2 M 1/32 MCR1039 MCR
Choctaw Reed Luella 21 F 1/16 MCR1039 MCR

Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Martin George 0 M MCR1038 P
Choctaw Martin Otha Bell 1 F 1/32 MCR1038 MCR
Choctaw Martin Ora 5 F 1/32 MCR1038 MCR
Choctaw Martin Mary A;oce 24 F 1/16 MCR1038 MCR
Choctaw Petray John N 0 M MCR1038 P
Choctaw Petray Willie F 0 F MCR1038 P

this appears to be the mary alice petray family. she must have married george martin.

Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Petray Ada 0 F MCR1036 P
Choctaw Petray Daniel 0 M MCR1036 P
Choctaw Petray Elizabeth 0 F MCR1036 P
Choctaw Petray Willie F 0 F MCR1036 P
Choctaw Petray Lula Pearl 2 F 1/16 MCR1036 MCR
Choctaw Petray Laurance 17 M 1/16 MCR1036 MCR
Choctaw Petray John W 56 M 1/8 MCR1036 MCR

this family might include the lura/lula pearl.
you also might find the most information about john and his heritage in this enrollment packet.

1900 United States Federal Census about John Petray
Name: John Petray
Age: 54
Birthplace: Arkansas
Home in 1900: Township 3, Chickasaw Nation, Indian Territory
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse’s Name: Ada Petray
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Petray 54
Ada Petray 30
Clifton Petray 7
Alvin Petray 4
Lula Pearl Petray 2
Lawrence Petray 17
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Township 3, Chickasaw Nation, Indian Territory; Roll: T623; ; Enumeration District: 168.

did he go back to arkansas?
1920 United States Federal Census about John Petray
Name: John Petray
Age: 62
Birth Year: abt 1858
Birthplace: Arkansas
Home in 1920: Illinois, Pope, Arkansas
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Brother
Marital Status: Single
Father’s Birthplace: United States of America
Mother’s Birthplace: Arkansas
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
S J Reed 46
Lena Reed 46
Ruby Reed 16
John Petray 62
Source Citation: Year: 1920; Census Place: Illinois, Pope, Arkansas; Roll: T625_77; Page: 16A; Enumeration District: 97; Image: 339.

Birth: unknown
Death: unknown

Family links:
Children:
Lura Pearl “Petray” Burkett Benson (1899 – 1996)*

*Calculated relationship

Inscription:
CO. D 3 ARK. CAV.

Burial:
Graham Cemetery
Graham
Carter County
Oklahoma, USA

on findagrave.com

you might want to look at historical newspapers for his obituary. contact your local public library about this through interlibrary loan. there might be a death certificate in AR or OK, see the state vital records office in AR or OK.

you should get a copy of this civil war pension. it will have much genealogical information in it. these were prepared by attorneys usually.
Civil War Pension Index: General Index to Pension Files, 1861-1934 about John N. Petray
Name: John N. Petray
State Filed: Indian Territory
filed 10 Nov 1890.
source: NARA http://www.archives.gov

1880 United States Federal Census about John N. Petray
Name: John N. Petray
Age: 33
Birth Year: abt 1847
Birthplace: Arkansas
Home in 1880: White Oak, Franklin, Arkansas
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: P. W. Petray
Father’s Birthplace: Illinois
Mother’s Birthplace: Illinois
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Farmer
Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane:

View image
Household Members:
Name Age
John N. Petray 33
P. W. Petray 32
Ida B. Petray 6
Mary A. Petray 3
Luella Petray 1
Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: White Oak, Franklin, Arkansas; Roll: 44; Family History Film: 1254044; Page: 721A; Enumeration District: 059; Image: 0152.

his parents born in IL? not many choctaw went up to IL from the southeastern reservations. however, there is a john petray, born about 1810, living in illinois, pope county, AR, and there might have been a mistake make by the census enumerator. that could be his father.

P.W. was born in AR, father b. NC and mother b. LA.

1860 United States Federal Census about John Petras
Name: John Petras
Age in 1860: 15
Birth Year: abt 1845
Birthplace: Arkansas
Home in 1860: Illinois, Pope, Arkansas
Gender: Male
Post Office: Norristown
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members:
Name Age
Jacob L Shinn 33
Martha Shinn 21
Lames H Shinn 4
Geo W Shinn 2
John Petras 15
Jas Mc D Burkhead 21
Source Citation: Year: 1860; Census Place: Illinois, Pope, Arkansas; Roll: M653_48; Page: 711; Image: 181; Family History Library Film: 803048.

Name: John Petray
Age in 1860: 55
Birth Year: abt 1805
Birthplace: North Carolina
Home in 1860: Illinois, Pope, Arkansas
Gender: Male
Post Office: Russellville
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members:
Name Age
John Petray 55
Martha Petray 55
Sarah S Petray 15
Ranson A Teeter 12
James Teeter 10
Source Citation: Year: 1860; Census Place: Illinois, Pope, Arkansas; Roll: M653_48; Page: 722; Image: 192; Family History Library Film: 803048.

someone found this record and put it in a database. inclusion in this database may indicate there is no documentation.
U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900 about John Petray
Name: John Petray
Gender: Male
Birth Place: NC
Birth Year: 1805
Spouse Name: Martha Love
Spouse
Birth Place: NC
Spouse Birth Year: 1804
Marriage
Year: 1828
Marriage State: NC
Number Pages: 1

the john sr. family had slaves:
View Record Age Gender Race Name of Slave Owner Home in 1860
(City,County,State) View Image
View Record 19 Female Mulatto John Petray Illinois, Pope, Arkansas
View Record 2 Female Black John Petray Illinois, Pope, Arkansas
View Record 1 Female Black John Petray Illinois, Pope, Arkansas

hmmm, it appears that john sr. is not john jr.‘s father. but john’s father may be related to the john sr. record.
1850 United States Federal Census about John N B Petray
Name: John N B Petray
Age: 5
Birth Year: abt 1845
Birthplace: Arkansas
Home in 1850: Pope, Arkansas
Gender: Male
Family Number: 425
Household Members:
Name Age
Daniel D Petray 44
Elizabeth Petray 45
Lawrence I Petray 21
George W Petray 20
Juliann Petray 16
Mary C Petray 14
Columbus R Petray 11
Martha E Petray 7
John N B Petray 5
Paulina E Petray 1
Source Citation: Year: 1850; Census Place: , Pope, Arkansas; Roll: M432_29; Page: 270B; Image: 307.

john petray, b. 1810, lives close by.
Source Citation: Year: 1850; Census Place: , Pope, Arkansas; Roll: M432_29; Page: 274B; Image: 315.

you will have to look at these civil war records:
View Record Name Regiment Name Expanded Side Regiment State/Origin
View Record John Petra 3rd Regiment, Arkansas Cavalry Union Arkansas
View Record John Petray 3rd Regiment, Arkansas Cavalry Union Arkansas
View Record John N. Petray 15th Regiment, Arkansas Infantry (Northwest) Confederate Arkansas

one of the worldconnect records on ancestry is saying that this is the parents of john n. petray.
Daniel D Petray 1806 – 1850
Elizabeth Byrd 1805 – 1850

daniel and elizabeth were b. NC, as were george and lawrence. the other children were b. AR.
Arkansas Census, 1819-70 about Daniel D. Petray
Name: Daniel D. Petray
State: AR
County: Pope County
Township: No Township Listed
Year: 1837
Record Type: Tax list
Page: 017
Database: AR 1830-1839 Tax Lists Index

1830 United States Federal Census about Daniel D Petre
Name: Daniel D Petre
Home in 1830 (City, County, State): Cabarrus, North Carolina
Free White Persons – Males – Under 5: 2
Free White Persons – Males – 20 thru 29: 1
Free White Persons – Females – 10 thru 14: 1
Free White Persons – Females – 20 thru 29: 1
Free White Persons – Under 20: 3
Free White Persons – 20 thru 49: 2
Total Free White Persons: 5
Total – All Persons (Free White, Slaves, Free Colored): 5
Source Citation: 1830 U S Census; Census Place: , Cabarrus, North Carolina; Page: 213; NARA Series: M19; Roll Number: 119; Family History Film: 0018085.

you should look for a tribe near cabarrus to see if they were affiliated.

i can’t see earlier records for this surname. so the surname may have changed. natives often took names of favorite people, places, things, and these sometimes changed.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government agency for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times, names of family members. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

social security application for a deceased person:
http://www.ssa.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

history of the dawes roll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Commission
wikipedia entries are sometimes opinionated; entered by volunteers.

helpful information about tribal enrollment
http://www.felihkatubbe.com/ChoctawNation/TribalMembership.html

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
you can order the dawes packet from the oklahoma historical society website.

if you find a relative listed on the dawes roll, fold3 may have filmed the record and could be available online.
http://www.fold3.com/documents/46580455/dawes-packets/
other resources are NARA http://www.archives.gov

http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html
oklahoma newspaper and archives search. some of these resources may be available through interlibrary loan/public library.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/
some obituaries:
http://www.choctawnation.com/history/obituaries/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving your Choctaw Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents (application, census card and testimony) may help you find out more about your heritage.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears
http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes:
http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society
Historic Preservation and Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society
marriage records
http://www.okhistory.org/research/library/marriage.html
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/chocmarriageindex.htm

other historical societies:
http://www.daddezio.com/society/hill/SH-OK-NDX.html
some oklahoma genealogical societies:
http://www.censusfinder.com/oklahoma-genealogy-society.htm
http://www.geneasearch.com/societies/socokla.htm

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter
and you can read this book online. your relatives’ testimony might be in the book.
http://www.archive.org/details/fivecivilizedtr00statgoog
see the menu at left. you can download it.

you should look at the enrollment application, census card and testimony. this post will tell you how to do that. these documents will tell you more about your heritage, but it won’t help you if your goal is to be enrolled in the choctaw tribe of oklahoma. some people were classed as mississippi choctaw if the family had a native heritage but didn’t qualify for enrollment in the tribe.

there are 63 tribes in oklahoma but only the five major tribes are on the dawes roll. look at your family’s location around 1900-1930 time period (census will help you there) and see if there was a tribe located nearby. it is possible that your relatives were affiliated with another tribe.

if they were mississippi choctaw, there is probably a land grant in MS/AL to a head of household called choctaw scrip land. this was given in lieu of tribal enrollment 1830-1880 time period. ancestry.com has a database of the MS and AL choctaw scrip land records, called mississippi or alabama land records. there are other land records in those databases too,, so you have to look at the authority/source cited. NARA http://www.archives.gov has those land record packages.

the mississippi choctaw was not removed from oklahoma. but they were largely rejected for tribal enrollment.

this website might help you in your search. some people are trying to transcribe applications.
http://www.us-census.org/native/choctaw_dawes.html
i do not know what they are trying to transcribe, but this is the volunteer page
http://www.us-census.org/states/graphics/status.htm

and this might be of interest to you:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/choctaw/rights-of-choctaws.htm
Rights of Mississippi Choctaws in the Choctaw Nation

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalrolls/
Index to the Final Rolls of the Citizens and Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes in Indian Territory
the dawes roll is composed of applications to the five major tribes in oklahoma.

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

this page can help you set up a targeted google search.
http://www.searchforancestors.com/google/searcher.html

penny postcards. this is a website that features pictures that were on postcards. click on the state to see the postcards that they have.
http://www.usgwarchives.org/special/ppcs/ppcs.html
if you have a penny postcard, you can click on submissions to add your penny postcard to the collection.

these searches will combine several possible search terms and give you the best matches.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Marla Wright Marla Wright

posted on February 24, 2012

I found the enrollment card, but where do you go to find the testimonies?

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on February 25, 2012

have you corresponded with NARA/ fort worth, TX office or the oklahoma historical society or found it on fold3.com?
those are three sources.

you should want the application packet, which includes census card, enrollment application and often testimony.

it appears that mary alice martin’s packet is available through fold3.com. one month’s subscription is probably cheaper than ordering the packet through the other sources.

the five civilized tribes book put out by the department of the interior has testimony.
http://books.google.com/books/about/Five_civilized_tribes_in_Oklahoma.html?id=chATAAAAYAAJ
and you can read it online

and these are the microfilms at fort worth TX archives.
http://www.archives.gov/southwest/finding-aids/native-american-microfilm.html

gl.
suzanne hamlet shatto

Marla Wright Marla Wright

posted on March 21, 2012

Found his complete Dawes application. After reading it, it sounds like he was just given the run around by the commissioners. He tried to apply three times. Two times he was turned away and the thrid rejected. He stated his mother’s & grandmother’s names, what reservation they lived on, and where he was born (around Dwight’s Mission). Is there any way to resubmit his information??

Thanks
Marla Wright

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on March 22, 2012

you can talk to the tribe about that, but i think the enrollments are closed. there was a criteria that the original enrollees had to meet.

do you have the testimony?

some candidates for office ran against the dawes commission/procedures/enrollment. it was controversial.

i am not affiliated with the tribe, so i don’t know what they would say.

http://www.choctawnation.com/services/departments/
the link at the bottom is about enrollment.

gl.

suzanne hamlet shatto