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Help!!! Looking for long lost family members!

Ashley Aldape Ashley Aldape

posted on February 2, 2012

My family has been trying to prove our heritage for years and keep hitting walls. First off My Father was born Steven Bradley Farve 1957, I’m told he was half Choctaw. His mother was Thelma L Farve born in 1938 her father was Andrew Farve born in 1909. Now we know that Andrew’s mother was Helen Baptiste, and she is a documented member of the choctaw nation, but no one can find Andrew’s birth certificate proving that she is his birth mother. My father was adopted so this is pretty much all the information that we have. We do know that Andrew lived on a reservation, not sure which one, around Enid OK or Denison TX? My father does have an older brother that we are searching for hoping he has some answers, His name is Johnny Farve and he was raised by Andrew Farve. He was probably born sometime around 1953? Anything will help, Thank you all so much

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on February 2, 2012

helen baptiste m. ? farve
andrew farve b. 1909 place unknown

when social security went into effect 1/1/1937, many people did not have birth certificates. they showed proof of age often with a delayed birth certificate. you have to ask for both a birth certificate or delayed birth certificate. you get this at the state vital records office where andrew was born.

i am not seeing this family in oklahoma.

is this andrew farve?
Social Security Death Index about Andrew Farve
Name: Andrew Farve
SSN: 442-14-7317
Last Residence: 73401 Ardmore, Carter, Oklahoma, United States of America
Born: 11 Jun 1909
Died: Mar 1974
State (Year) SSN issued: Oklahoma (Before 1951)

you might get a copy of his social security application and see what he says about his parents.

Name: Andrew J Farve
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1910
Birthplace: Louisiana
Race: White
Home in 1930: Fort Francis, Laramie, Wyoming
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Marital Status: Single
Relation to Head of House: Private
Father’s Birthplace: Mississippi
Mother’s Birthplace: Louisiana
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Fort Francis, Laramie, Wyoming; Roll: 4547591; Page: 22B; Image: 440.0; Family History Library Film: 2342357.

if he was born in louisiana, he might be associated with the jena choctaw or mississippi choctaw. location is a primary factor in tribal affiliation.
this is the website of the choctaw tribe in oklahoma. there are many tribes, both federally-recognized and state recognized. and some tribes are still seeking recognition.

i don’t know what you mean that helen baptiste was a documented member of the choctaw nation. which choctaw nation?

the baptiste surnames on the dawes roll are designated mississippi choctaw. the french surnames indicate they probably lived in louisiana.

920 United States Federal Census about Intoine Farve
Name: Intoine Farve
Age: 12
Birth Year: abt 1908
Birthplace: Louisiana
Home in 1920: New Orleans Ward 3, Orleans, Louisiana
Race: Black
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Son
Marital Status: Single
Father’s Name: Entvine Farve
Father’s Birthplace: Louisiana
Mother’s name: Bertha Farve
Mother’s Birthplace: Louisiana
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Entvine Farve 53
Bertha Farve 49
Bertha Farve 16
Irvin Farve 14
Intoine Farve 12
Rool Farve 10
Source Citation: Year: 1920; Census Place: New Orleans Ward 3, Orleans, Louisiana; Roll: T625_619; Page: 12A; Enumeration District: 53; Image: 379.

is this your family?

if these were his parents, these records might interest you. death records:
Bertha Franklin Farve abt 1871 17 Apr 1926
Antoine Farve abt 1874 5 Sep 1947

anyone who passed away after 1/1/1937 had a social security application.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government agency for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times, names of family members. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

social security application for a deceased person:

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

history of the dawes roll
wikipedia entries are sometimes opinionated; entered by volunteers.

helpful information about tribal enrollment

2 ways to search:
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
you can order the dawes packet from the oklahoma historical society website.

if you find a relative listed on the dawes roll, fold3 may have filmed the record and could be available online.
other resources are NARA
oklahoma newspaper and archives search. some of these resources may be available through interlibrary loan/public library.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.

NARA federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving your Choctaw Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents (application, census card and testimony) may help you find out more about your heritage.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:

MOWA tribe
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail:

other choctaw tribes:

chickasaw historical society
Historic Preservation and Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw genealogy archive center Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
oklahoma historical society
other historical societies:
some oklahoma genealogical societies:

texas tribes

oklahoma tribes:

some links for the choctaw.
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter
and you can read this book online. your relatives’ testimony might be in the book.
see the menu at left. you can download it.

you should look at the enrollment application, census card and testimony. this post will tell you how to do that. these documents will tell you more about your heritage, but it won’t help you if your goal is to be enrolled in the choctaw tribe of oklahoma. some people were classed as mississippi choctaw if the family had a native heritage but didn’t qualify for enrollment in the tribe.

there are 63 tribes in oklahoma but only the five major tribes are on the dawes roll. look at your family’s location around 1900-1930 time period (census will help you there) and see if there was a tribe located nearby. it is possible that your relatives were affiliated with another tribe.

if they were mississippi choctaw, there is probably a land grant in MS/AL to a head of household called choctaw scrip land. this was given in lieu of tribal enrollment 1830-1880 time period. has a database of the MS and AL choctaw scrip land records, called mississippi or alabama land records. there are other land records in those databases too,, so you have to look at the authority/source cited. NARA has those land record packages.

the mississippi choctaw was not removed from oklahoma. but they were largely rejected for tribal enrollment.

this website might help you in your search. some people are trying to transcribe applications.
i do not know what they are trying to transcribe, but this is the volunteer page

and this might be of interest to you:
Rights of Mississippi Choctaws in the Choctaw Nation
Index to the Final Rolls of the Citizens and Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes in Indian Territory
the dawes roll is composed of applications to the five major tribes in oklahoma.

good advice about native research:

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

this page can help you set up a targeted google search.

penny postcards. this is a website that features pictures that were on postcards. click on the state to see the postcards that they have.
if you have a penny postcard, you can click on submissions to add your penny postcard to the collection.

these searches will combine several possible search terms and give you the best matches.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto