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Was Looking for my Family Davison Chocktaw

James Norman Davison James Norman Davison

posted on June 27, 2010

Well
After I posted a few days ago that I was looking for my Family it has been made pretty dam clear by some of you that I am not welcome. Regardless if I am or am not sharing blood.
So I will not continue this search.
I do not go where I am not welcome. There were two of you that were very nice. The rest of you? Well. I will not post on this site what I think of you.
I gave some thought to how many others like myself have been
trying to be part of the family and are not welcome.
Pretty dam Sickaning if you ask me. You folks should be ashamed.

Jim Davison
Choctaw or not. Blood related or not.
I am not nor will I ever again mention that I am part Choctaw
as I am upset about this whole thing and think of the pain of others.
You folks enjoy each other.
I will build my own family of who wants me and who I want.
One of the unwanted

MMW MMW

posted on July 5, 2010 and updated on July 6, 2010

When you calm down, you might rethink this.

I’ve had some of the same anger as you.

But, after a lot of thought on the subject, I have made me consider, perhaps correctly or incorrectly, the way the system has developed given events in history.

My attempt at proving Choctaw lineage may fail miserably. But, this is the system. And, it’s what we have to work with.

The reservation is still in the US. There are regulations, guidelines, paperwork, etc. no matter whether we like it or not.

I’m also guessing that they are probably operating under the assumption that the vast majority of documentable Choctaw have been accounted for.

As to whether or not we like the system that set forth via relocation, the Trail of Tears and the Dawes Commission, we can’t undo the past.

I have a lot more thoughts on the subject. I don’t know what to tell you you can do about your anger.

Plus, many families make up a tribe. There’s no way you are going to like them all. There are people who don’t even like some of their own family members. You can’t win them all, so I’ve heard.

The Tribal Membership office almost has the feeling of good, enthusiastic, cheery, young cop/bad, burnt out, grumpy, old cop. ;-) Not that I’m an agist or anything.

But, don’t start hating yourself. There are plenty of other people that will do it for you.

Maybe, they should rename the Genealogy Forum to the Lost & Found Forum. :-)

Also, one more interesint thing, I seemed to notice. On the two cards associated with the two branches of my family only about one in six-ten of the children of the parents listed made it to the reservation. I don’t know what happened to make this the situation, but a good number of our families did not make it to Oklahoma. I don’t know if some of tried to escape the removal.

But, what strikes me as even more strange is that most the people that I met that are part Native are Cherokee, almost exclusively always. Everyone is a Cherokee. Where are the Choctaw? What happened to all of the other children of the parents listed on the enrollment cards?

Why was it that one child made it? This has struck me as an extremely curious point.

I wish my father was here to tell the story, but I’ll have to try myself.

As the story goes, my gggrandfather, John Lee, 1/8 Choctaw, from what I see, was smuggled from MS to TX between to matresses by slaves. Now, given the approximate date of his arrival in TX, he was probably smuggled by freedmen.

The story goes on that Robert E. Lee was his first cousin. However, my genealogical research shows he had a brother Robert E. Lee, not the Civil War General. Given the difference in generations if related to the Civil War Robert E. Lee the relation would more like have to be 2nd or 3rd cousins. However, that has not been a focal point of my research.

So had it not been the help of the freedmen and some perserverance of my ancestors, I wouldn’t be here.

Anyway, that’s how I was told the story.

Now, I don’t know why he was smuggled between two matresses. That I was never told.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on July 8, 2010

i am sorry you feel this way. is this your family?
Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Arnold Cordelia 0 F 4862 P
Choctaw Arnold James 0 M 4862 P
Choctaw Arnold Martha 0 F 4862 P
Choctaw Arnold Hazel 1 F 1/8 4862 NR SO MCALESTER BB
Choctaw Arnold Tottie 6 M 1/8 4862 NR SO MCALESTER BB
Choctaw Arnold Arthur W 10 M 1/8 4862 NR SO MCALESTER BB
Choctaw Arnold Hugh 14 M 1/8 4862 NR SO MCALESTER BB
Choctaw Arnold Lizzie 15 F 1/8 4862 NR SO MCALESTER BB
Choctaw Arnold James E 36 M 1/4 4862 NR SO MCALESTER BB

it is card # 4862 showing a family that appears to match some of the names you have given.

you should contact the genealogy advocacy to see what you have to do in order to apply for enrollment.
they would be happy to help you.

http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

this website has changed and is now in more of a messageboard format. i would assume that this is to control the posting and protect people’s privacy more than in the previous format.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto