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Willie Lee Dycus

Krystal Mattsen Dycus Krystal Mattsen Dycus

posted on January 18, 2012

Hi everyone, I’m just wondering if any one has any information on my great grandmother Willie Lee Dycus. I was told that she was a full blood Choctaw Indian but what i don’t know is if she was ever registered. All guesses lead me to believe that if she was ever registered with a tribe it would be in Mississippi. Dycus isn’t her maiden name but she married my great grandfather James Dycus. If it helps i know the names of their children and the names of their grandchildren. I realize this is the website for the Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma but i tried contacting the tribe in Mississippi with no luck. According to my grandmother almost all of their children died around the same time as my grandfather, 2000. If anyone has any information about this it would be helpful because this has been one of the biggest questions in my family for a very long time.
James and Willie Lee Dycus’s children:
William Franklin, Dolly Morris “Eich”, James Thomas, Marvin Lee, and Daniel Clifford my grandfather.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on January 19, 2012 and updated on January 19, 2012

no years i this post for the people you are referencing. no location in this post. this is the website of the choctaw tribe in oklahoma. if people were not living in oklahoma by 1900, they probably didn’t apply to a tribe in oklahoma.

is this your family?

Name: Marvin Dycus
Age in 1910: 13
Birth Year: 1897
Birthplace: Kentucky
Home in 1910: Colorado Springs Ward 7, El Paso, Colorado
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Son
Marital Status: Single
Father’s Name: William W Dycus
Father’s Birthplace: Kentucky
Mother’s Name: Jennie Dycus
Mother’s Birthplace: Virginia
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William W Dycus 46
Jennie Dycus 43
N Frankie Dycus 20
Eliza J Dycus 16
Marvin Dycus 13
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Colorado Springs Ward 7, El Paso, Colorado; Roll: T624_119; Page: 6A; Enumeration District: 0055; Image: 413; FHL Number: 1374132.

Name: Marvin F Dycus
Age: 4
Birth Date: May 1896
Birthplace: Kentucky
Home in 1900: Driskill, Livingston, Kentucky
[Smithland, Livingston, Kentucky]
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Son
Marital Status: Single
Father’s Name: Willie Dycus
Father’s Birthplace: Kentucky
Mother’s Name: Jennie Dycus
Mother’s Birthplace: Virginia
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Willie Dycus 36
Jennie Dycus 38
Nanie F Dycus 10
Ezra J Dycus 7
Marvin F Dycus 4
John Burgher 19
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Driskill, Livingston, Kentucky; Roll: T623_539; Page: 21A; Enumeration District: 54.

these birthplaces indicate that the migration began after 1900.
you should look for tribes around this location in KY and see if they enrolled in those tribes. location is a primary factor when finding a tribe.

http://500nations.com/Kentucky_Tribes.asp
http://www.native-languages.org/kentucky.htm
with a map

http://www.aaanativearts.com/tribes-by-states/kentucky_tribes.htm
http://www.hanksville.org/sand/contacts/tribal/states.php?whichstate=KY&title=Kentucky

Name: Jennie Dycus
[Jennie Dyens]
Age: 52
Birth Year: abt 1868
Birthplace: Virginia
Home in 1920: Colorado Springs, El Paso, Colorado
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: William W Dycus
Father’s Birthplace: Virginia
Mother’s Birthplace: Virginia
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William W Dycus 55
Jennie Dycus 52
Franque Dycus 30
Source Citation: Year: 1920; Census Place: Colorado Springs, El Paso, Colorado; Roll: T625_163; Page: 1B; Enumeration District: 100; Image: 586.

it appears from family trees on ancestry, that jennie’s maiden name is fugate.

Name: Jennie Dycus
Birth Year: abt 1867
Home in 1930: Colorado Springs, El Paso, Colorado
View Map
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse’s Name: William W Dycus
Occupation:

Education:

Military Service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents’ birthplace:

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Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William W Dycus 66
Jennie Dycus 63
Franque Rausch 40
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Colorado Springs, El Paso, Colorado; Roll: 242; Page: 4B; Enumeration District: 39; Image: 60.0.

dolly was a child in another dycus family, probably related.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common

surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to

include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth

certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your

grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on

file. if you ask a government agency for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might

have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are

helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or

marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start

with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful.

census records can tell you where they were at particular times, names of family members. the census

records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be

public information in 2012.

social security application for a deceased person:
http://www.ssa.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for

enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they

didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or

benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly,

they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

history of the dawes roll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Commission
wikipedia entries are sometimes opinionated; entered by volunteers.

helpful information about tribal enrollment
http://www.felihkatubbe.com/ChoctawNation/TribalMembership.html

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see

other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are

especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other

oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
you can order the dawes packet from the oklahoma historical society website.

if you find a relative listed on the dawes roll, fold3 may have filmed the record and could be available

online.
http://www.fold3.com/documents/46580455/dawes-packets/
other resources are NARA http://www.archives.gov

http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html
oklahoma newspaper and archives search. some of these resources may be available through interlibrary

loan/public library.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for

oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have

microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving your Choctaw

Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When

US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any

benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents

(application, census card and testimony) may help you find out more about your heritage.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears
http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail:

chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes:
http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society
Historic Preservation and Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society
other historical societies:
http://www.daddezio.com/society/hill/SH-OK-NDX.html
some oklahoma genealogical societies:
http://www.censusfinder.com/oklahoma-genealogy-society.htm
http://www.geneasearch.com/societies/socokla.htm

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they

will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can

get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find

a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births,

marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not

taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter
and you can read this book online. your relatives’ testimony might be in the book.
http://www.archive.org/details/fivecivilizedtr00statgoog
see the menu at left. you can download it.

you should look at the enrollment application, census card and testimony. this post will tell you how to

do that. these documents will tell you more about your heritage, but it won’t help you if your goal is to

be enrolled in the choctaw tribe of oklahoma. some people were classed as mississippi choctaw if the

family had a native heritage but didn’t qualify for enrollment in the tribe.

there are 63 tribes in oklahoma but only the five major tribes are on the dawes roll. look at your

family’s location around 1900-1930 time period (census will help you there) and see if there was a tribe

located nearby. it is possible that your relatives were affiliated with another tribe.

if they were mississippi choctaw, there is probably a land grant in MS/AL to a head of household called

choctaw scrip land. this was given in lieu of tribal enrollment 1830-1880 time period. ancestry.com has a

database of the MS and AL choctaw scrip land records, called mississippi or alabama land records. there

are other land records in those databases too,, so you have to look at the authority/source cited. NARA

http://www.archives.gov has those land record packages.

the mississippi choctaw was not removed from oklahoma. but they were largely rejected for tribal

enrollment.

this website might help you in your search. some people are trying to transcribe applications.
http://www.us-census.org/native/choctaw_dawes.html
i do not know what they are trying to transcribe, but this is the volunteer page
http://www.us-census.org/states/graphics/status.htm

and this might be of interest to you:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/choctaw/rights-of-choctaws.htm
Rights of Mississippi Choctaws in the Choctaw Nation

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalrolls/
Index to the Final Rolls of the Citizens and Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes in Indian Territory
the dawes roll is composed of applications to the five major tribes in oklahoma.

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching

google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal

recognized tribe.

this page can help you set up a targeted google search.
http://www.searchforancestors.com/google/searcher.html

penny postcards. this is a website that features pictures that were on postcards. click on the state to

see the postcards that they have.
http://www.usgwarchives.org/special/ppcs/ppcs.html
if you have a penny postcard, you can click on submissions to add your penny postcard to the collection.

these searches will combine several possible search terms and give you the best matches.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request

the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Krystal Mattsen Dycus Krystal Mattsen Dycus

posted on January 19, 2012

I know i do have a Marvin Lee and a Dolly Morris i mean there are some similarities but according to my grandmother my great grandfather’s name was James Franklin Dycus and his wife was Willie Lee. When my grandfather brought my grandmother to america they went to Alabama to visit and meet the family so that i guess would mean they stayed down there.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on January 19, 2012

then you would need dates, locations in your post. names sometimes run in families.

Krystal Mattsen Dycus Krystal Mattsen Dycus

posted on January 19, 2012

Sorry i’m only 19 so i don’t know a whole lot about this stuff. But thankyou for your advice, it’s really helpful.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on January 19, 2012

that’s ok. you can do this.
as you can see, when there is a common name, you need names, dates, locations, children and spouse.

if your family went to alabama, they might be connected with the MOWA tribe. location is KEY when trying to find tribal affiliation.

you have to do your genealogy. you will probably have to collect birth certificates and marriage licenses. if you don’t know the dates or locations, and if your deceased ancestor passed away after 1/1/1937, you can request their social security application. this will give you dates, locations, names of parents.

i often start with the death and work backward in time.
is there a cemetery record? try findagrave.com or interment.net
is there a death certificate? state vital records or state archives, if the death was before 1930.
is there an obituary? see your local public library/interlibrary loan program for that.
newspaper mentions? see your local public library/interlibrary loan program for that. often state historical societies or state archives have historical newspapers.
state vital records or county clerks for the marriage license, birth certificate. if the birth record was before the 1930’s try the state archives too.

you have to collect your documents.

the key is to try to get to the generation that was alive in the 1900’s, when many tribal enrollments occurred.

census records can tell you family members, locations, approximate date of birth and place of birth. the 1900-1930 census can help. this could be accessed through your local public library, either ancestry.com or heritage quest.

willie could be a nickname.
the problem is that i am not finding these names TOGETHER.

is this someone?
Alabama, Deaths and Burials Index, 1881-1974 about Willie Lee Dycus
Name: Willie Lee Dycus
Birth Date: abt 1892
Death Date: 1 Feb 1962
Death Place: Mobile, Mobile, Alabama
Death Age: 70
Gender: Female
FHL Film Number: 1908970

how about this person?
Social Security Death Index about James Dycus
Name: James Dycus
SSN: 415-42-0026
Last Residence: 36609 Mobile, Mobile, Alabama, United States of America
Born: 30 Aug 1924
Died: Nov 1981
State (Year) SSN issued: Tennessee (Before 1951)

you start with what you KNOW. gather documents. then go backward in time.
so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and then you will have more information on your grandparents.

i didn’t mean to be short, but the electrical power has been off and on today. i was definitely hurrying to type stuff.