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Kachina Kachina

posted on January 14, 2012

Mother-Mytle Marie Kittrell married name Jackson and grandmother Cora Bell Perkins married Kittrell and great granmother Hattie Perkins and great,great grandmother Violet Morgan ?

Kachina Kachina

posted on January 14, 2012

I am Kachina

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on January 14, 2012

no spouses mentioned.
no dates mentioned.

well, let’s see who’s on the social security death index, since you didn’t mention location or dates. this index is available on ancestry.com or rootsweb.com. it shows the names of people who have passed away since 1964. earlier deaths are not listed, however the social security administration does have applications for those who passed away 1937-1964.

offhand, i would say jackson, perkins and morgan are common surnames, so i might not be able to find your relative.

birth certificates and death certificates are often found at the state vital records office. however you didn’t mention where these people lived. if the person passed away after 1/1/1937, they would have filled out a social security application and submitted a birth record to show proof of age. the social security office would have dates and locations and parents’ names. many times, before 1930, people didn’t have birth certificates so they submitted delayed birth certificates. if you ask for a birth certificate, also ask for a delayed birth certificate.

i start with the death and work backwards in time. is there a cemetery record? you can try interment.net or findagrave.com. is there a death certificate? how about an obituary? if you know when someone passed away, contact your local public library/interlibrary loan program for an obituary.

if any of these people were alive 1900-1930, you can look at census records. this will show you family members, locations, approximate birthdates and birthplace.

myrtle marie jackson nee kittrell
cora bell kittrell nee perkins b. dec. 1887 indian territory
hattie perkins (married name?)
violet morgan (married name?) m. perkins? don’t know if related.

even the kittrell surname appears to be common, as there are several myrtle kittrells on the census and i don’t know if any of them are your relative.
i cannot find a myrtle kittrell with a mother named cora/cora bell.

1900 United States Federal Census about Cora B Perkins
Name: Cora B Perkins
Age: 12
Birthplace: Indian Territory, Oklahoma
Home in 1900: Indianola, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory
Race: Russian
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Father’s Name: L H Perkins
Mother’s Name: Hettie H Perkins
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
L H Perkins 46
Hattie A. Perkins 35
Cora B Perkins 12
Buddie H Perkins 10
Albert T Perkins 7
Johny A Perkins 4
Dora M Perkins 2
Susan S Perkins 70
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Indianola, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory; Roll: T623_1850; Enumeration District: 77.

the russian reference is incorrect. you might want to correct the ancestry index on this record. your local public library probably has a subscription to ancestry.com.
l. h. perkins, head, r.?, male, b. feb 1854 age 46, married 25 years, b. indian territory, parents b. MS farmer, reads and writes, owns the farm free and clear
hettie h., wife, white female, b. feb. 1865, age 35?, married 25 years?, had 13 children but only 5 survive, b. AR, father b. IL, mother b. NC, reads and writes
cora b., daughter white female, b. dec 1887, age 12, sigle, b. indian territory, reads and writes
buddie h., son, white male, b. jul. 1889, age 10, single, b. indian territory, reads and writes
albert t., son, white male, b. apr. 1893, age 7, single, b. indian territory, reads and writes
jenny? a., daughter, white female,, b. ? a898, age 1, sinngle, b. indian territory
susan s., mother, white female, b. may 1830, age 70, married ?, had 9 children but only 2 survive, b. NC, father b. NC, mother b. VA, reads and writes.

i have no idea what code the enumerator was using, what “r” means.

this is on the indian population schedule.
the schedule on the bottom is also filled out incorrectly, which doesn’t help us.
i would suspect the first entry pertains to one of the parents, either l. h. perkins or hettie.
since susan perkins is probably l. h. perkins’ mother, and is not listed in the indian schedule, i would suspect that native was cora.

Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Dennis Peter 0 M 4591 P
Choctaw Dennis Susan 0 F 4591 P
Choctaw Perkins George 0 M 4591 P
Choctaw Perkins Jane F 0 F 4591 P
Choctaw Perkins Pearly Lee 1 M 1/4 4591 NR INDIANOLA BB
Choctaw Perkins William Alfred 1 M 1/4 4591 NR INDIANOLA BB
Choctaw Perkins Dora M 3 F 1/4 4591 NR INDIANOLA BB
Choctaw Perkins Hattie A 4 F 1/4 4591 NR INDIANOLA BB
Choctaw Perkins Albert T 6 M 1/4 4591 NR INDIANOLA BB
Choctaw Perkins Hugh H 10 M 1/4 4591 NR INDIANOLA BB
Choctaw Perkins Cora 12 F 1/4 4591 NR INDIANOLA BB
Choctaw Perkins Hattie A 38 F IW 4591 NR INDIANOLA BB
Choctaw Perkins Lyman H 46 M 1/2 4591 NR INDIANOLA BB
Choctaw Smith Lizzie 70 F 1/2 4591 NR MCR
Choctaw Stuart Henry 0 M 4591 P
Choctaw Stuart Susan 0 F 4591 P

p=parent
bb=by blood
iw=intermarried white, a general non-tribal description

it appears from your post that you are trying to collect documents about cora so that you can apply for enrollment.

if anyone in your family had applied previously, you would only need to provide those documents that the tribe doesn’t already have. so you should contact the tribe.
the tribe would have the birth document of cora. they may have documents for other relatives, if any applied for enrollment in the tribe.

they would not need death certificates, but death certificates can be helpful to you to find your relatives, give you birthplace and date information, parent and location information.

birth certificates and marriage documents are more like what the tribe would want.

Name: Lyman H Perkins
Age in 1910: 56
Birth Year: 1854
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Home in 1910: Indianola, Pittsburg, Oklahoma
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
[Self (Head)]
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: Hattie A Perkins
Father’s Birthplace: United States of America
[United States]
Mother’s Birthplace: Mississippi
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Lyman H Perkins 56
Hattie A Perkins 46
Albert T Perkins 18
Adaline J Perkins 15
Dora M Perkins 14
Pearl L Perkins 9
William A Perkins 8
George J Perkins 6
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Indianola, Pittsburg, Oklahoma; Roll: T624_1269; Page: 2A; Enumeration District: 0224; Image: 1088; FHL Number: 1375282.

cora probably isn’t on this census in this family because she may have been married by 1910.
1920 United States Federal Census about L H Perkins
Name: L H Perkins
Age: 67
Birth Year: abt 1853
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Home in 1920: McAlester Ward 1, Pittsburg, Oklahoma
Race: Indian (Native American)
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: Kathie A Perkins
Father’s Birthplace: Mississippi
Mother’s Birthplace: Mississippi
Home Owned: Own
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
L H Perkins 67
Kathie A Perkins 56
W Alfred Perkins 16
George J Perkins 15
Eugene Grisby 6
Glen Grisby 5
Mildred Field 5
Source Citation: Year: 1920; Census Place: McAlester Ward 1, Pittsburg, Oklahoma; Roll: T625_1483; Page: 5A; Enumeration District: 205; Image: 884.

1930 United States Federal Census about L H Perkins
Name: L H Perkins
Birth Year: abt 1854
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Home in 1930: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, Oklahoma
View Map
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse’s Name: Hattie A Perkins
Occupation:

Education:

Military Service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents’ birthplace:

View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
L H Perkins 76
Hattie A Perkins 66
George Perkins 26
Gladys Perkins 25
George Perkins 4 3/12
Hattie L Perkins 2
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, Oklahoma; Roll: 1921; Page: 9B; Enumeration District: 158; Image: 566.0.

Name: Cora B Fields
Age in 1910: 23
Birth Year: 1887
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Home in 1910: Indianola, Pittsburg, Oklahoma
Race: Indian (Native American)
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: William F Fields
Father’s Birthplace: United States of America
[United States]
Mother’s Birthplace: United States of America
[United States]
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William F Fields 31
Cora B Fields 23
Brady E Fields 6
Gladys E Fields 9/12
0
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Indianola, Pittsburg, Oklahoma; Roll: T624_1269; Page: 10B; Enumeration District: 0224; Image: 1105; FHL Number: 1375282.

is this a first marriage?
1920 United States Federal Census about Cora Brown
Name: Cora Brown
Age: 32
Birth Year: abt 1888
Birthplace: Oklahoma
[Indiana]
Home in 1920: Indianola, Pittsburg, Oklahoma
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: Hurbert E Brown
Father’s Birthplace: Oklahoma
[Indiana]
Mother’s Birthplace: Texas
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Hurbert E Brown 29
Cora Brown 32
Bady Fields 15
Gladys Fields 10
Source Citation: Year: 1920; Census Place: Indianola, Pittsburg, Oklahoma; Roll: T625_1484; Page: 7B; Enumeration District: 197; Image: 374.

a second marriage?

or maybe neither of these.

Name: Cora D Kittrell
Birth Year: abt 1884
Home in 1930: Ponca City, Kay, Oklahoma
View Map
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse’s Name: Joseph S Kittrell
Occupation:

Education:

Military Service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents’ birthplace:

View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph S Kittrell 52
Cora D Kittrell 46
Leona C Kittrell 10
Mabel Tate 29
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Ponca City, Kay, Oklahoma; Roll: 1909; Page: 5A; Enumeration District: 40; Image: 295.0.

i don’t know enough about your family.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government agency for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times, names of family members. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

social security application for a deceased person:
http://www.ssa.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

history of the dawes roll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Commission
wikipedia entries are sometimes opinionated; entered by volunteers.

helpful information about tribal enrollment
http://www.felihkatubbe.com/ChoctawNation/TribalMembership.html

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
you can order the dawes packet from the oklahoma historical society website.

if you find a relative listed on the dawes roll, fold3 may have filmed the record and could be available online.
http://www.fold3.com/documents/46580455/dawes-packets/
other resources are NARA http://www.archives.gov

http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html
oklahoma newspaper and archives search. some of these resources may be available through interlibrary loan/public library.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving your Choctaw Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents (application, census card and testimony) may help you find out more about your heritage.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears
http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes:
http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society
Historic Preservation and Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society
other historical societies:
http://www.daddezio.com/society/hill/SH-OK-NDX.html
some oklahoma genealogical societies:
http://www.censusfinder.com/oklahoma-genealogy-society.htm
http://www.geneasearch.com/societies/socokla.htm

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter
and you can read this book online. your relatives’ testimony might be in the book.
http://www.archive.org/details/fivecivilizedtr00statgoog
see the menu at left. you can download it.

you should look at the enrollment application, census card and testimony. this post will tell you how to do that. these documents will tell you more about your heritage, but it won’t help you if your goal is to be enrolled in the choctaw tribe of oklahoma. some people were classed as mississippi choctaw if the family had a native heritage but didn’t qualify for enrollment in the tribe.

there are 63 tribes in oklahoma but only the five major tribes are on the dawes roll. look at your family’s location around 1900-1930 time period (census will help you there) and see if there was a tribe located nearby. it is possible that your relatives were affiliated with another tribe.

if they were mississippi choctaw, there is probably a land grant in MS/AL to a head of household called choctaw scrip land. this was given in lieu of tribal enrollment 1830-1880 time period. ancestry.com has a database of the MS and AL choctaw scrip land records, called mississippi or alabama land records. there are other land records in those databases too,, so you have to look at the authority/source cited. NARA http://www.archives.gov has those land record packages.

the mississippi choctaw was not removed from oklahoma. but they were largely rejected for tribal enrollment.

this website might help you in your search. some people are trying to transcribe applications.
http://www.us-census.org/native/choctaw_dawes.html
i do not know what they are trying to transcribe, but this is the volunteer page
http://www.us-census.org/states/graphics/status.htm

and this might be of interest to you:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/choctaw/rights-of-choctaws.htm
Rights of Mississippi Choctaws in the Choctaw Nation

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalrolls/
Index to the Final Rolls of the Citizens and Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes in Indian Territory
the dawes roll is composed of applications to the five major tribes in oklahoma.

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

this page can help you set up a targeted google search.
http://www.searchforancestors.com/google/searcher.html

penny postcards. this is a website that features pictures that were on postcards. click on the state to see the postcards that they have.
http://www.usgwarchives.org/special/ppcs/ppcs.html
if you have a penny postcard, you can click on submissions to add your penny postcard to the collection.

these searches will combine several possible search terms and give you the best matches.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto