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joshroy1987 joshroy1987

posted on January 12, 2012

My name is Joshua Roy. My great grandfathers name is Chester A. Roy died in Atoka, Ok. I was told he lived on the reservation before he died. He died 12 May 1984. As far as I know he still has a living spouse. I also have a great great grandfather named Leonard Newton Roy who was born on Indian territory, OK on 16 June 1892 and died May 1970. If someone could help me track down some information on them so I can get my paperwork together it would be greatly appreciated.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on January 12, 2012

you should try to find chester a.roy’s obituary. see your local public library interlibrary loan program.

the choctaw roy surnames on the dawes roll 1896-1906 were classified as mississippi choctaw and rejected for enrollment. see the links for that tribe in this post. i did not see your relative’s name on the dawes roll.

Parents

James Andrew Roy 1862 – 1939 Elsie E Roy 1870 –

one of the family trees on ancestry gives these parents’ names.

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 about Leonard Newton Roy
Name: Leonard Newton Roy
County: Carter
State: Oklahoma
Birthplace: Indian Territory, Oklahoma;United States of America
Birth Date: 16 Jun 1892
Race: Caucasian (White)
FHL Roll Number: 1851694
DraftBoard: 0

he says he was born in atoka county, OK.

Social Security Death Index about Leonard Roy
Name: Leonard Roy
SSN: 445-01-5890
Last Residence: 74525 Atoka, Atoka, Oklahoma, United States of America
Born: 16 Jun 1892
Died: May 1970
State (Year) SSN issued: Oklahoma (Before 1951)

his parents names would be on the social security application. you can file a SS-5 in order to get a copy of this.
http://www.ssa.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm

anyone who passed away after 1/1/1937 applied for social security and they had to submit a birth record to show proof of age. so many applied for a delayed birth certificate or a birth certificate. if you look for a birth record, ask for both.

1910 United States Federal Census about Leonard N Roy
Name: Leonard N Roy
Age in 1910: 17
Birth Year: 1893
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Home in 1910: Lewis, Atoka, Oklahoma
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Son
Marital Status: Single
Father’s Name: James A Roy
Father’s Birthplace: Missouri
Mother’s name: Elsie E Roy
Mother’s Birthplace: Arkansas
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James A Roy 48
Elsie E Roy 40
Leonard N Roy 17
Mary E Roy 15
Clara E Roy 12
Wesley M Roy 8
Robert R Roy 5
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Lewis, Atoka, Oklahoma; Roll: T624_1242; Page: 5B; Enumeration District: 0007; Image: 1037; FHL Number: 1375255.

ROY, JAMES A BELT, ELCY E 26 FEB 1888 REV HOGUE
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/chockrmarr.htm

Rev. Hogue was baptized into the fellowship of the Baptist Church in LaGrange, Georgia in 1838. In November, 1847, he was licensed to preach, and ordained into the ministry October 1850. His dream was to be a missionary in India. That dream was not to be. He moved to Atoka, Indian Territory in 1899. He died October 10, 1906, his wife preceded him in death May 21, 1902. They are interred in the Westview Cemetery in Atoka.]

http://okgenweb.org/pioneer/ohs/ingett.htm

http://www.genealogycenter.info/detail_mtnatamerican.php?mtid=13849
contact the oklahoma genealogical society for access to this microfilm.
you may also get access to the microfilm through the local public library interlibrary loan program.

http://www.okgensoc.org/

1930 United States Federal Census about L M Roy
Name: L M Roy
Birth Year: abt 1892
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Home in 1930: Ward, Lonoke, Arkansas
View Map
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse’s Name: Eunice Roy
Occupation:

Education:

Military Service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents’ birthplace:

View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
L M Roy 38
Eunice Roy 29
George Roy 14
Bulah Roy 12
Lota Roy 10
Chester Roy 6
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Ward, Lonoke, Arkansas; Roll: 83; Page: 1B; Enumeration District: 38; Image: 670.0.

i can’t find them in the 1900 census.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government agency for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times, names of family members. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

social security application for a deceased person:
http://www.ssa.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

history of the dawes roll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Commission
wikipedia entries are sometimes opinionated; entered by volunteers.

helpful information about tribal enrollment
http://www.felihkatubbe.com/ChoctawNation/TribalMembership.html

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
you can order the dawes packet from the oklahoma historical society website.

if you find a relative listed on the dawes roll, fold3 may have filmed the record and could be available online.
http://www.fold3.com/documents/46580455/dawes-packets/
other resources are NARA http://www.archives.gov

http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html
oklahoma newspaper and archives search. some of these resources may be available through interlibrary loan/public library.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving your Choctaw Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents (application, census card and testimony) may help you find out more about your heritage.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears
http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes:
http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society
Historic Preservation and Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society
other historical societies:
http://www.daddezio.com/society/hill/SH-OK-NDX.html
some oklahoma genealogical societies:
http://www.censusfinder.com/oklahoma-genealogy-society.htm
http://www.geneasearch.com/societies/socokla.htm

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter
and you can read this book online. your relatives’ testimony might be in the book.
http://www.archive.org/details/fivecivilizedtr00statgoog
see the menu at left. you can download it.

you should look at the enrollment application, census card and testimony. this post will tell you how to do that. these documents will tell you more about your heritage, but it won’t help you if your goal is to be enrolled in the choctaw tribe of oklahoma. some people were classed as mississippi choctaw if the family had a native heritage but didn’t qualify for enrollment in the tribe.

there are 63 tribes in oklahoma but only the five major tribes are on the dawes roll. look at your family’s location around 1900-1930 time period (census will help you there) and see if there was a tribe located nearby. it is possible that your relatives were affiliated with another tribe.

if they were mississippi choctaw, there is probably a land grant in MS/AL to a head of household called choctaw scrip land. this was given in lieu of tribal enrollment 1830-1880 time period. ancestry.com has a database of the MS and AL choctaw scrip land records, called mississippi or alabama land records. there are other land records in those databases too,, so you have to look at the authority/source cited. NARA http://www.archives.gov has those land record packages.

the mississippi choctaw was not removed from oklahoma. but they were largely rejected for tribal enrollment.

this website might help you in your search. some people are trying to transcribe applications.
http://www.us-census.org/native/choctaw_dawes.html
i do not know what they are trying to transcribe, but this is the volunteer page
http://www.us-census.org/states/graphics/status.htm

and this might be of interest to you:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/choctaw/rights-of-choctaws.htm
Rights of Mississippi Choctaws in the Choctaw Nation

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalrolls/
Index to the Final Rolls of the Citizens and Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes in Indian Territory
the dawes roll is composed of applications to the five major tribes in oklahoma.

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

this page can help you set up a targeted google search.
http://www.searchforancestors.com/google/searcher.html

penny postcards. this is a website that features pictures that were on postcards. click on the state to see the postcards that they have.
http://www.usgwarchives.org/special/ppcs/ppcs.html
if you have a penny postcard, you can click on submissions to add your penny postcard to the collection.

these searches will combine several possible search terms and give you the best matches.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Mel McLemore Mel McLemore

posted on January 20

Joshua,

My mother’s first husband was George Buford Roy, son of Leonard Newton Roy. They had a daughter Flora Lee, she was my sister . I have worked on the Roy genealogy .. my web site is mclemoregenealogy.org

my email is maddoxyellowrose@hotmail.com..plz contact me.. Melba Gene

Choctaw Nation Genealogy Choctaw Nation Genealogy

posted on January 21

I’m sorry but I could not find your family on the Dawes Roll. Anyone could have lived in Indian Territory without being a part of the tribe. Indian Territory was not a reservation so the 5 tribes did not have to live there. If you have any questions or new information, please contact us at genealogy@choctawnation.com