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Ray Dyer

Jamie Whitlock Jamie Whitlock

posted on January 2, 2012

I am looking for information about my grandfather, Ray Dyer. I have little information to go on, but my father’s name is James Ray Dyer.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on January 2, 2012

this is a relatively common name. no dates, no location, no spouse in your post. this is a common name.

you should get a copy of your father’s birth certificate. this will give you more information about his parents.

do you have a copy of his obituary? if he passed away after 1963, he might be on the social security death index, giving you date of birth, place of death and date of death. you can get his obituary through interlibrary loan/your local public library.

anyone who passed away after 1/1/1937 has a social security application on file. if he is deceased, you could ask social security for a copy of it.
http://www.ssa.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm
you would want an SS-5 form.

these are the people with this name who passed away in oklahoma.
View Record Name Birth Date Death Date Last Residence
(City,County,State) Order Record
View Record Ray J. Dyer 1 Jan 1899 11 Mar 1992 El Reno, Canadian, Oklahoma
View Record Ray D. Dyer 10 Apr 1904 28 Nov 1987 Anadarko, Caddo, Oklahoma
View Record Ray Dyer 24 Oct 1905 Dec 1973 Ardmore, Carter, Oklahoma
View Record Ray D. Dyer 25 Mar 1932 Aug 1995 Yale, Payne, Oklahoma
View Record Kenneth Ray Dyer 31 Jul 1939 6 Jul 2011 Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, Oklahoma

some of the last resident information is blank, so there might also be more people who have that name in oklahoma. and you didn’t indicate where he passed away, whether he was living elsewhere.

i often work from the death backwards in time.

some cemetery records are on interment.net and findagrave.com.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government agency for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times, names of family members. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

social security application for a deceased person:
http://www.ssa.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

history of the dawes roll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Commission
wikipedia entries are sometimes opinionated; entered by volunteers.

helpful information about tribal enrollment
http://www.felihkatubbe.com/ChoctawNation/TribalMembership.html

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
you can order the dawes packet from the oklahoma historical society website.

if you find a relative listed on the dawes roll, fold3 may have filmed the record and could be available online.
http://www.fold3.com/documents/46580455/dawes-packets/
other resources are NARA http://www.archives.gov

http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html
oklahoma newspaper and archives search. some of these resources may be available through interlibrary loan/public library.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving your Choctaw Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents (application, census card and testimony) may help you find out more about your heritage.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears
http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes:
http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society
Historic Preservation and Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society
other historical societies:
http://www.daddezio.com/society/hill/SH-OK-NDX.html
some oklahoma genealogical societies:
http://www.censusfinder.com/oklahoma-genealogy-society.htm
http://www.geneasearch.com/societies/socokla.htm

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter
and you can read this book online. your relatives’ testimony might be in the book.
http://www.archive.org/details/fivecivilizedtr00statgoog
see the menu at left. you can download it.

you should look at the enrollment application, census card and testimony. this post will tell you how to do that. these documents will tell you more about your heritage, but it won’t help you if your goal is to be enrolled in the choctaw tribe of oklahoma. some people were classed as mississippi choctaw if the family had a native heritage but didn’t qualify for enrollment in the tribe.

there are 63 tribes in oklahoma but only the five major tribes are on the dawes roll. look at your family’s location around 1900-1930 time period (census will help you there) and see if there was a tribe located nearby. it is possible that your relatives were affiliated with another tribe.

if they were mississippi choctaw, there is probably a land grant in MS/AL to a head of household called choctaw scrip land. this was given in lieu of tribal enrollment 1830-1880 time period. ancestry.com has a database of the MS and AL choctaw scrip land records, called mississippi or alabama land records. there are other land records in those databases too,, so you have to look at the authority/source cited. NARA http://www.archives.gov has those land record packages.

the mississippi choctaw was not removed from oklahoma. but they were largely rejected for tribal enrollment.

this website might help you in your search. some people are trying to transcribe applications.
http://www.us-census.org/native/choctaw_dawes.html
i do not know what they are trying to transcribe, but this is the volunteer page
http://www.us-census.org/states/graphics/status.htm

and this might be of interest to you:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/choctaw/rights-of-choctaws.htm
Rights of Mississippi Choctaws in the Choctaw Nation

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalrolls/
Index to the Final Rolls of the Citizens and Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes in Indian Territory
the dawes roll is composed of applications to the five major tribes in oklahoma.

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

this page can help you set up a targeted google search.
http://www.searchforancestors.com/google/searcher.html

these searches will combine several possible search terms and give you the best matches.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Brenda Dyer Brenda Dyer

posted on January 15, 2012

May father’s name was Ray Dyer. Don’t know if he is the right one, but if you can give me a little more info maybe I can help

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on January 15, 2012

i was asking you for information.

do you know when your grandfather passed away?
how about when and where he was born?

i am not related. i am trying to teach people how to do genealogy, give them sources of information. i have no particular knowledge about your family.

this is a common name.
genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouse to match records.

Brenda Dyer Brenda Dyer

posted on January 15, 2012

My father was born March 10, 1920, He died in October 1987. He was born in Durant, OK to Sampson Dyer and Jincy Williams

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on January 15, 2012

Social Security Death Index about Jimmie R. Dyer
Name: Jimmie R. Dyer
SSN: 444-22-3652
Last Residence: 93268 Taft, Kern, California, United States of America
Born: 10 Mar 1920
Died: 7 Oct 1987
State (Year) SSN issued: Oklahoma (Before 1951)

Name: James R Dyer
Birth Year: abt 1922
Home in 1930: King, Stephens, Oklahoma
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Relation to Head of House: Son
Father’s Name: James R Dyer
Mother’s Name: Elizabeth Dyer
Occupation:

Education:

Military Service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents’ birthplace:

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Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James R Dyer 29
Elizabeth Dyer 28
James R Dyer 8
Evelin Dyer 6
Richard Dyer 3
Walton Dyer 1
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: King, Stephens, Oklahoma; Roll: 1932; Page: 5A; Enumeration District: 11; Image: 217.0.
james r. dyer, head, rents a farm, white male, age 29, married first at 19 years of age, reads and writes b. AR, father b. TN mother b. AR, farmer
elizabeth, wife, white female, age 28, married first at age 18, reads and writes, b. AR, parents b. AR
james r., son, white male, age 8, single, attends school, b. TX, parents b. AR
evelin?, daughter, white female, age 6, single, b. west virginia
richard, son, white male, age 3, single, b. west virginia
walter, son, white male, age 1, single, b. AR

i don’t know if sampson is in this family group:
tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Aokahoma 0 M 3482 P
Choctaw Dyer Phoebe 0 F 3482 P
Choctaw Dyer Willie 0 M 3482 P
Choctaw Dyer Emma 16 F FULL 3482 NR BENNINGTON BB
Choctaw Dyer Sampson 18 M FULL 3482 NR BENNINGTON BB
Choctaw Dyer Sam 45 M FULL 3482 NR BENNINGTON BB
Choctaw Dyer Sarah 45 F FULL 3482 NR BENNINGTON BB
Choctaw Iniachahona 0 F 3482 P
Choctaw Shckopa 0 M 3482 P
Choctaw Yimih 0 F 3482 P

bb=by blood
p-parent

i am not finding samson/sam/sampson dyer or a jincy in bryan county in 1920. this is the only sam.
Name: Sam C Dyer
[Tom C Dyer]
Age: 18
Birth Year: abt 1902
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Home in 1920: Calera, Bryan, Oklahoma
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Son
Marital Status: Single
Father’s Name: William H Dyer
Father’s Birthplace: Arkansas
Mother’s Name: Fannie G Dyer
Mother’s Birthplace: Mississippi
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William H Dyer 52
Fannie G Dyer 49
Sam C Dyer 18
Joe D Dyer 14
16
Ellis B Dyer 11
Graden W Dyer 22
Martha Dyer 20
Source Citation: Year: 1920; Census Place: Calera, Bryan, Oklahoma; Roll: T625_1454; Page: 11A; Enumeration District: 21; Image: 301.
and the first name appears to be a mistake.

i am not finding anything like jincy dyer either.

you should request a copy of james ray’s birth certificate and/or delayed birth certificate.
see his death certificate for his location of birth.
http://www.dshs.state.tx.us/VS/
if he was born in texas.

his obituary might also tell you where he was born and when. many people added a few years when they applied for social security so that they could retire earlier.