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ralanderson ralanderson

posted on December 28, 2011

My ancester is Sarah Riddle Pyle Cox. 1808 – 1891. Her Parents were Edward Grant Pyle 1785-1875 and Rosannah Mary McMahon Pyle 1789- 1847. Sarah’s son was Isaiah Cox, whos son was Charles Chester Cox, my great grandfather.

I have heard that the Pyle family were Lenape? I was wondering if anyone knows of them or of a native american connection with them. Thank you for any assistance you can give me.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on December 28, 2011

the people that you have named are well before there were enrollments in a tribe. usually, the only time a native disclosed their heritage was when they applied for enrollment in a particular tribe.

i don’t understand the lenape reference.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government agency for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times, names of family members. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

social security application for a deceased person:
http://www.ssa.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

history of the dawes roll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Commission
wikipedia entries are sometimes opinionated; entered by volunteers.

helpful information about tribal enrollment
http://www.felihkatubbe.com/ChoctawNation/TribalMembership.html

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
you can order the dawes packet from the oklahoma historical society website.

if you find a relative listed on the dawes roll, fold3 may have filmed the record and could be available online.
http://www.fold3.com/documents/46580455/dawes-packets/
other resources are NARA http://www.archives.gov

http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html
oklahoma newspaper and archives search. some of these resources may be available through interlibrary loan/public library.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving your Choctaw Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents (application, census card and testimony) may help you find out more about your heritage.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears
http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes:
http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society
Historic Preservation and Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society
other historical societies:
http://www.daddezio.com/society/hill/SH-OK-NDX.html
some oklahoma genealogical societies:
http://www.censusfinder.com/oklahoma-genealogy-society.htm
http://www.geneasearch.com/societies/socokla.htm

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter
and you can read this book online. your relatives’ testimony might be in the book.
http://www.archive.org/details/fivecivilizedtr00statgoog
see the menu at left. you can download it.

you should look at the enrollment application, census card and testimony. this post will tell you how to do that. these documents will tell you more about your heritage, but it won’t help you if your goal is to be enrolled in the choctaw tribe of oklahoma. some people were classed as mississippi choctaw if the family had a native heritage but didn’t qualify for enrollment in the tribe.

there are 63 tribes in oklahoma but only the five major tribes are on the dawes roll. look at your family’s location around 1900-1930 time period (census will help you there) and see if there was a tribe located nearby. it is possible that your relatives were affiliated with another tribe.

if they were mississippi choctaw, there is probably a land grant in MS/AL to a head of household called choctaw scrip land. this was given in lieu of tribal enrollment 1830-1880 time period. ancestry.com has a database of the MS and AL choctaw scrip land records, called mississippi or alabama land records. there are other land records in those databases too,, so you have to look at the authority/source cited. NARA http://www.archives.gov has those land record packages.

the mississippi choctaw was not removed from oklahoma. but they were largely rejected for tribal enrollment.

this website might help you in your search. some people are trying to transcribe applications.
http://www.us-census.org/native/choctaw_dawes.html
i do not know what they are trying to transcribe, but this is the volunteer page
http://www.us-census.org/states/graphics/status.htm

and this might be of interest to you:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/choctaw/rights-of-choctaws.htm
Rights of Mississippi Choctaws in the Choctaw Nation

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalrolls/
Index to the Final Rolls of the Citizens and Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes in Indian Territory
the dawes roll is composed of applications to the five major tribes in oklahoma.

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

this page can help you set up a targeted google search.
http://www.searchforancestors.com/google/searcher.html

these searches will combine several possible search terms and give you the best matches.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

ralanderson ralanderson

posted on December 28, 2011

Wow, thank you for giving me so many sources. That will help with my research. I am not looking to join a tribe, I am looking to see where my family came from, and was not able to get any further than Edward Grant Pyle. I was hoping if I was connected to the tribe, then the tribe may have that info? I will start with your list since there are many sources I had not thought of.

I am Rachel Ann LeBaron Anderson. My parents are Glenna (O’Neal) LeBaron and LeGrand LeBaron. My fathers parents were Thelma Lee (Cox) LeBaron Keegan and Ross Wesley LeBaron. My grandmothers parents were Retta (Stock) Cox and Charles Chester Cox, Charles Cester Cox’s father was Isaiah Cox, son of Jehu Cox and Sarah Riddle (Pyle) Cox.

My uncles grew up hearing that Sarah was native american and I wanted to learn more. I have been attending a spiritualist church in Puyallup, WA that Grandmother Berniece Falling Leaves attends, and joined her Winter Solstice Ceremony and have been learning more about native american traditions. It would be great to know more about my own native american history. Thanks!

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on December 28, 2011

btw, i am local, in snohomish, WA. there is a repository of records in seattle, on sand point way. NARA national archives http://www.archives.gov
native languages were oral, not written. they don’t have many records. native languages became written languages in the mid 1800’s. the war department kept records in the 1800’s and those are at NARA. NARA has microfilmed several of those records that most pertain to genealogy.

the french surname may show louisiana heritage, maybe creole.

you give names but NO dates. no location. these are serious problems in trying to find someone in records. no spouse for charles chester cox.

state archives, state historical societies, state genealogical societies might have some resources. they may have information about marriage, birth, newspaper mentions,, death.

ok, jehu cox b. no location no date, d. no location no date m. sarah riddle pyle b. 1808 no location d. 1891 no location (is riddle a surname from the past?)
isaiah cox b. no location no date d. no location no date m. unknown
charles chester cox b. no location no date d. no location no date m. unknown

you need to fill in the blanks here.

ralanderson ralanderson

posted on December 28, 2011

All the dates are here http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=6514050, they are also on ancestry.com, geni, and family tree online. Many cousins have added lots of info. So I have a start, but I will check NARA too. Thank you for helping me. Rachel

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on December 28, 2011

these people went to utah. i don’t know if there were reservations in utah, but they would not have applied for enrollment in indian territory/utah.

you might be interested in early mormon history. missouri was a definite battleground for them. some mormons went up to OH and IL/nauvoo area before joseph smith’s death. you may find some information on your ancestors there, although probably not a native history. my late husband’s ancestor left the family home in OH and went with a cousin, john milton bernhisel, to IL/nauvoo. but that ancestor left, after joseph smith’s death, and migrated to missouri. i have not found any mormon records for him, so i think he was more the cousin of bernhisel than he was a mormon. it appears that your people were more mormon, since they migrated to UT.

it appears they started from KY. there were groups of natives in KY but i don’t think they were living on reservation.

gl.

ralanderson ralanderson

posted on December 29, 2011

Thanks, yes the mormon history is easy to access even though my dad moved away from it all before I was born. Native history is much harder to locate. As you have guessed, I’m a beginner at researching this, but you have given me a good place to get started. Thank you