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NETTIE ANGALINE MONDS (MARRIED NAME WAS ROSE)

Ashley Ashley

posted on November 18, 2011 and updated on November 18, 2011

My great great grandmother was on the Dawes Roll. Her maiden name was Nettie Angaline Monds. She mariied Christopher Columbus Rose (I think he is listed as Ross, it was a typo). I was told when my great great grandmother applied for her card there was a very lengthy form she had to fill out. I would like to know if this is true and if so how do I go about getting a copy of it. Nettie’s Dawes Roll Number is 12143 and her census number is 4343. I have seen her on the rolls online and some of her siblings. I am wanting to get more information for my geneaolgy about her parents, siblings, and where they were originally from. I have hit a wall with her parents. Any suggestions?

I want as much information about her family as I can get. Especially her parents and where they may have originated from. I think her parents are Sam Monds and Mary Jane Monds (maiden name James).

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on November 18, 2011

i think there is already an inquiry about christopher columbus rose and nettie angeline monds. you might look through the forum, in case something was found in the earlier search. in addition, you could reply to that message in case the person who inquired would be willing to contact you. for genealogy inquiries, i recommend you use a public email address such as email at yahoo.com or gmail.com, so that if you change your internet service provider, you will still be able to receive your email.

you will want the application, testimony and census card. you can get that from NARA http://www.archives.gov or oklahoma historical society http://www.okhistory.org/ fold3.com also has some of the applications online but you would have to check and see if they have your relative. they have not finished scanning all the application documents and you need to verify that they have scanned your relative before entering a month’s subscription. if you use fold3, you might want to have the subscription for only a month.

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this is where you can check to see if fold3 scanned your relative’s documents.

Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Monds Jane 0 F 4343 P
Choctaw Monds Sam 0 M 4343 P
Choctaw Rose Elsie 0 F 4343 P
Choctaw Rose William 0 M 4343 P
Choctaw Rose Earnest 1 M 1/16 4343 NR ATOKA BB
Choctaw Rose Robert F 1 M 1/16 4343 NR ATOKA BB
Choctaw Rose Osceola 4 M 1/16 4343 NR ATOKA BB
Choctaw Rose Otto 5 M 1/16 4343 NR ATOKA BB
Choctaw Rose Della 9 F 1/16 4343 NR ATOKA BB
Choctaw Rose Charles C 10 M 1/16 4343 NR ATOKA BB
Choctaw Rose Nettie 26 F 1/8 4343 NR ATOKA BB
Choctaw Rose Christopher C 35 M IW 4343 NR ATOKA BB
bb=by blood
p=parent
iw=intermarried white, a general non-tribal description
i can see that fold3 has not yet scanned these documents.
tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Rose Christopher C 0 M NB307 P
Choctaw Rose Nettie 0 F NB307 P
Choctaw Rose Preston Harral 1 M 1/16 NB307 NB1290 ATOKA NB
nb=newborn

1900 United States Federal Census about Nettie A Rose
Name: Nettie A Rose
Home in 1900: Township 2, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory
Age: 26
Birthplace: Indian Territory, Oklahoma
Race: Indian (Native American)
Gender: Female
Relationship to Head of House: Wife
Spouse’s Name: Chris Rose
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Chris Rose 36
Nettie A Rose 26
Chas C Rose 11
Della M Rose 10
Otto Rose 6
Oceola Rose 5
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Township 2, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory; Roll: T623_1853; Enumeration District: 182.
page 17A, township 2 south range 10 east, enumeration district 182
enumerated by james a. lynn on june 6 or june 7, 1900

christopher columbus rose, head, white male, b. march 1864, age 36, married 12 years, b. AR, father b. unknown, mother b. TN, farmer, reads and writes, owns the farm free and clear
nettie a., indian female, b. oct 1873, age 26, married 12 years, had 7 children but only 5 survive, b. indian territory, father b. unknown, mother b. indian territory, reads and writes
charles c., son, indian male, b. apr. 1889, age 11, single, b. indian territory, at school, reads and writes
della m., daughter, indian female, b. may 1890, age 10, single, b. indian territory, at school, reads and writes
otto, son, indian male, b. oct. 1893, age 6, single, b. indian territory, at school
oceola, daughter, indian female, b. may 1895, age 5, single, b. indian territory
page 17B
robert l. rose, son, indian male, b. mar 1899, age 1, single, b. indian territory
ida e. cruse, niece, indian female, b. nov. 1890, age 9, single, b. indian territory, parents b. unknown, at school, reads and writes
jasper cruse, nephew, indian male, b. sept. 1892, age 7, single, b. indian territory, parents b. unknown, at school
eliza cruse, niece, indian female, b. jan. 1897, age 3, single, b. indian territory, parents b. unknown

nettie says her father is white, mother choctaw, she is 1/4 choctaw and 3/4 white
charles c. is choctaw on his mother’s side, 1/8 choctaw, 7/8 white
the other children are the same on that page
robert rose is choctaw on his mother’s side, 1/16 choctaw, 15/16 white
the cruse children are choctaw by both parents, 5/8 choctaw, 3/8 white

bear in mind that this is a self-survey type of question. the family is on the indian population schedule.

her parents appear to be jane and sam monds.
you might have to look on the native census records and native databases for the family. see the link to accessgenealogy.com and check the menu on the left. natives were not enumerated on the federal census if they were living on the reservation because they were untaxed. so you will have to look at the native records to find them.

Name: Nettie Rose
[Netta Rose]
[Nettie Ross]
Home in 1920: Atoka, Atoka, Oklahoma
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse’s Name: Clinsa C Rose
Father’s Birth Place: Texas
Mother’s Birth Place: Oklahoma
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Female
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Clinsa C Rose 56
Nettie Rose 46
Robert Rose 20
Ernest Rose 17
Preston Rose 14
Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Atoka, Atoka, Oklahoma; Roll: T625_1452; Page: 9B; Enumeration District: 8; Image: 587.

Name: Christopher C Rose
Age in 1910: 46
Estimated Birth Year: 1864
Birthplace: Arkansas
Relation to Head of House: Head
[Self (Head)]
Father’s Birth Place: Tennessee
Mother’s Birth Place: Tennessee
Spouse’s Name: Nellie Rose
Home in 1910: Atoka Ward 2, Atoka, Oklahoma
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Christopher C Rose 46
Nellie Rose 39
Charle C Rose 21
Dela Rose 20
Otho Rose 16
Osceola Rose 14
Robert Rose 13
Ernest Rose 9
Preston Rose 6
Jasper Larrence 17
Lelly Bell Larrence 15
Eliza Larrence 13
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Atoka Ward 2, Atoka, Oklahoma; Roll: T624_1242; Page: 9A; Enumeration District: 0012; Image: 1184; FHL Number: 1375255.

you can correct the ancestry name index so that others can find your family.

someone on ancestry.com has started a family tree also. you can get access to ancestry through your local public library.
Christopher Columbus Rose
Birth 5 Mar 1862 in Fayetteville, Ark
Death 09 jan 1956 in Atoka County Okla
you should contact anyone who says they are related to you.

this tree says that his parents are:
Charles Rose
Margaret Alice Mounds 1833 – 1906

the person that posted this tree apparently don’t know his wife’s name.

native records are at NARA, http://www.archives.gov

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government agency for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times, names of family members. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

social security application for a deceased person:
http://www.ssa.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

history of the dawes roll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Commission
wikipedia entries are sometimes opinionated; entered by volunteers.

helpful information about tribal enrollment
http://www.felihkatubbe.com/ChoctawNation/TribalMembership.html

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
you can order the dawes packet from the oklahoma historical society website.

if you find a relative listed on the dawes roll, fold3 may have filmed the record and could be available online.
http://www.fold3.com/documents/46580455/dawes-packets/
other resources are NARA http://www.archives.gov

http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html
oklahoma newspaper and archives search. some of these resources may be available through interlibrary loan/public library.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving your Choctaw Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents (application, census card and testimony) may help you find out more about your heritage.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears
http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes:
http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society
Historic Preservation and Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society
other historical societies:
http://www.daddezio.com/society/hill/SH-OK-NDX.html
some oklahoma genealogical societies:
http://www.censusfinder.com/oklahoma-genealogy-society.htm
http://www.geneasearch.com/societies/socokla.htm

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

this page can help you set up a targeted google search.
http://www.searchforancestors.com/google/searcher.html

these searches will combine several possible search terms and give you the best matches.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Ashley Ashley

posted on November 18, 2011

suzanne hamlet shatto,

Thank you for your information. I am on Ancestory.com and MyHeritage.com and have connected with many people who have gotten me to where I am today on my genealogy.

My email address is thornrose4444@gmail.com to anyone who is related or has any connections.

I have tried to find a link to Christopher Columbus Rose on this site but I am not sure how to find out what was asked before or who inquired. I have searched for Christopher Columbus Rose and Nettie Angeline Monds. I also looked through so many past posts. I am not sure if I am searching right. Any suggestions?

Thank you so much for time! I really appreciate it!

Ashley

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on November 19, 2011

sorry, no suggestions. if i look for something, i have to scroll through all the messages myself.

you might request the tribe put in a search function. i have done that. but they are putting on obituaries next, they told me.