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Kyle Marble Kyle Marble

posted on October 30, 2011 and updated on October 30, 2011

Hi, I’m looking into my lineage to see if I can become a member in order to qualify for college scholarships. I know I am at least 1/16th choctaw. My grandmother’s mother was 1/2. She said both her parents were each 1/2 choctaw. her name was Mary Williams Payne (Williams is her maiden name). Her parents were Lonnie and Martha Williams; her mother’s maiden name was Woodcock. They were all from Mississippi. I’m also pretty sure I have choctaw blood from my grandfather also. His name was Wilton Allen Marble. He was the son of Glenn Marble and Alice Suggs and they were from Florida. Glenn Marble was the son of Glenn Marble Sr. and Elizabeth Welthie Suggs. Sometime in the late 1800s the Marble’s left Oklahoma and moved to Pace Fl. Any information you might be able to provide me with would be helpful, and I was also wondering If that would be a high enough percentage in order to qualify for grants and scholarships from the Choctaw Tribe.

Thanks,
Kyle Marble

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on October 30, 2011

lonnie williams m. martha woodcock
mary williams m. ? payne

glenn marble m. alice suggs
wilton allen marble

no dates, only a general location in your post.

you should look at the requirements for the tribes that your family is affiliated with. there are a few choctaw tribes, and many more native tribes. the native tribes are more like associated bands of natives. location is a primary factor in tribal affiliation.

most tribes (and maybe all tribes) which have enrolled members require people to prove that they are descendants of an original enrollee.

the dawes roll 1896-1906 contains the names of the applicants to the five major tribes in oklahoma (which was indian territory during the enrollment period – oklahoma became a state in 1907). there are 63 tribes in oklahoma.

it appears to me that your people might have been in the southeast, maybe mississippi choctaw or MOWA or another native tribe.

this website is the choctaw tribe in oklahoma.

it sounds like you are separating glenn marble and alice suggs and wilton allen marble from lonnie and martha woodcock and mary williams payne. you don’t explain why. maybe you are expressing the idea that both parents might have native blood.

Glenn Allen Marble
Birth 28 Nov 1890 in Pensacola, Escambia, Florida, United States
Death 23 Jan 1951 in Escambia, Florida, United States
Elizabeth Welthie Suggs
Birth 04 Nov 1894 in Pensacola, Escambia County, Florida
Death 15 Feb 1973 in Donaldsonville, Ascension Parish, Louisiana
Living Marble

Glenn A Jr Marble 1917 – 2002 Mary L Marble 1919 – 1999 George Elmer Marble 1921 – 1995 Margie Marble 1927 – 1927 James “Jimmy” Edward Marble 1934 – 1997

In the 1930s, a tribe of Cherokees was found living in Bay Springs, Florida in present day Escambia County. The discoverer of this lost tribe was a traveling nurse by the last name of Greenwell. The discovery caused such a stir that the Pensacola News Journal’s archives show where a Mr. Ashcroft wrote a piece about it. In the article, both Nurse Greenwell and members of the lost tribe were interviewed. One elderly lady was quoted as remembering her life as a camp-like existence – quite unlike what the Cherokees were depicted as living like. She said that bows and arrows and such had already been abandoned years before she was ever born. She recounted how her brother and father owned a grist mill. In the article, it also talked about how the people still spoke Cherokee and how a one HawkFeather was having to leave the area to find a better living. Records of the neighboring cemetery reflect how earthen vessels were placed on the graves with strange non-English writing on them. It is believed by many that these were Cherokee monuments – reflective of a changed culture trying to marry the customs of old and the customs of the day. Sadly, no pottery, or pictures of such, exist to verify this contention. However, there are citizens today who claim direct ties to this lost tribe of Cherokees.

At one time, the State of Florida recognized tribes of American Indians at the state level. Though the state only recognized Creek peoples, the change in political climate nevertheless caused many Cherokee to come out of hiding. These Cherokee banded together in order to petition the state to start recognizing tribes other than Creeks. However, in 2001, Governor Bush signed legislation that abolished the state recognition laws of Florida. Thousands upon thousands of Cherokees, Creeks, Choctaws, and other Native American peoples were hurt by this change in the law. We no longer had protection of our burial sites, our artists could no longer call our artwork “American Indian Made,” our children lost out on financial aid for college, etc. Most importantly, the tribes lost the ability to directly communicate with the state government about issues that were affecting American Indian peoples in the state.
http://www.floridacherokee.org/history.htm

parents of glenn allen marble:
George Williams Butler Marble
1861 – 1936

Lulu Isabel Brewton 1869 – 1899

this family tree is on ancestry.com and may be on rootsweb.com. rootsweb is a free genealogical website, with webprojects for surnames, locations, tribes. rootsweb and genealogy.com both have websites for the same topics.

your local public library probably has a subcription to heritage quest for local history books and census, as well as ancestry.com which has census and other records.

George Williams Butler Marble
Birth 21 May 1861 in Mount Vernon, Knox, Ohio, United States
Death 22 Feb 1936 in Pensacola, Escambia, Florida, United States
so he probably is not native. north central or north eastern tribes usually don’t hunt down in the southeast or move southeast.
Lulu Isabel Brewton
Birth 30 Aug 1869 in Mobile, Mobile, Alabama, United States
Death 16 May 1899 in Pensacola, Escambia, Florida, United States
so, MOWA or another tribe.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/alabama/

http://500nations.com/Alabama_Tribes.asp
http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html
http://aiac.alabama.gov/tribes.aspx
http://aiac.alabama.gov/Tribal-Map.aspx
http://www.ac-tribe.com/ac/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=24&Itemid=133

i’m knda lost with the lonnie williams and martha woodcock line. the names are too common and i don’t see a marriage license or another document that ties the surnames together. i may be looking in the wrong place.

with mary williams m. ? payne, i don’t have enough information and the name is very common.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government agency for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times, names of family members. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

social security application for a deceased person:
http://www.ssa.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

history of the dawes roll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Commission
wikipedia entries are sometimes opinionated; entered by volunteers.

helpful information about tribal enrollment
http://www.felihkatubbe.com/ChoctawNation/TribalMembership.html

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
you can order the dawes packet from the oklahoma historical society website.

if you find a relative listed on the dawes roll, fold3 may have filmed the record and could be available online.
http://www.fold3.com/documents/46580455/dawes-packets/
other resources are NARA http://www.archives.gov

http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html
oklahoma newspaper and archives search. some of these resources may be available through interlibrary loan/public library.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving your Choctaw Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents (application, census card and testimony) may help you find out more about your heritage.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears
http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes:
http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society
Historic Preservation and Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society
other historical societies:
http://www.daddezio.com/society/hill/SH-OK-NDX.html
some oklahoma genealogical societies:
http://www.censusfinder.com/oklahoma-genealogy-society.htm
http://www.geneasearch.com/societies/socokla.htm

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

this page can help you set up a targeted google search.
http://www.searchforancestors.com/google/searcher.html

these searches will combine several possible search terms and give you the best matches.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto