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Dee Hill Dee Hill

posted on October 22, 2011 and updated on October 23, 2011

I am trying to find my ancestors.These are my family starting from my mother and up.Noladene Alexander b 06-29-1936 broken bow.Magnolia Beatrice Hall b 02-03-1915 broken bow.Walter Mchenry Hall b03-17-1890 his wife Laura Dyer b09-17-1880.William Mchenry Hall b05-07-1859 his whife Mary Victoria Holland b02-14-1860. James Dyer b10-03-1837 his wife Malinda Labor b05-1859. There are more names but I hope these will do. Any one who can help me please let me know. Addition to above information: I have my card showing 3/16 choctaw drawing off of my ancestors. My dad had more choctaw than my mother. Thomas Wilson roll 3669, Ilantima Wilson roll 3670, Nelson Wilson roll 3672, Bessie Ann Wilson roll 3671, Maggie Wilson roll 702, Sillena Wison roll 1539 Laura Mcclure hall roll 1159,Jordan Wilson roll 900,James dyer 1151, I am unsure if that will help. James Dyer is also part of my family born 05-10-1887 at Eagletown he was a representative in mccurtain county for eight years.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on October 23, 2011

no location in your post, except for the 1915 and 1936 entries. location is very important when you are trying to find a tribal connection.

what documents do you have.

your genealogy is a list. it doesn’t include spouse, date or place of death. presumably only one child in your list. these are common names, so you need to include more information rather than less.

you have two branches of the family in this post.
there is no choctaw walter hall record on the dawes roll.

did your family qualify for tribal membership? the choctaw tribe of oklahoma enrolled original members in the 1896-1906 time period and you must be directly descended from an original enrollee.

the dawes roll lists applicants to the five major tribes in indian territory/oklahoma 1896-1906. there are 63 tribes in oklahoma at this time.

i am not showing a world war 1 draft card for this name and birthdate.

California Death Index, 1940-1997 about Walter McHenry Hall
Name: Walter McHenry Hall
Social Security #: 448014145
Sex: Male
Birth Date: 2 Mar 1890
Birthplace: Arkansas
Death Date: 30 Apr 1959
Death Place: Shasta
Mother’s Maiden Name: Collins
Father’s Surname: Hall

so you might not have the best information. this appears to be your walter mchenry hall. but the other information in your post may not be correct.

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 about Walter Hall
Name: Walter Hall
County: McCurtain
State: Oklahoma
Birthplace: Arkansas
Birth Date: 2 Mar 1890
Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1851808
DraftBoard: 0

on 6/5/1917, he had a wife and 3 children. he was born in columbia county, AR.

1900 United States Federal Census about Walter N Hall
Name: Walter N Hall
[Walter H Hall]
Home in 1900: Monroe, Sevier, Arkansas
Age: 10
Birth Date: Mar 1890
Birthplace: Arkansas
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relationship to head-of-house: Son
Father’s Name: William H Hall
Father’s Birthplace: Arkansas
Mother’s Name: Victoria E Hall
Mother’s Birthplace: Alabama
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William H Hall 41
Victoria E Hall 40
William A Hall 13
Annie L Hall 11
Walter N Hall 10
Robt J Hall 8
Ador E Hall 5
Addie Hall 1
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Monroe, Sevier, Arkansas; Roll: T623_76; Page: 12A; Enumeration District: 151.

it appears that your family was not living in oklahoma at the time of the 1900 census. so they may not have applied to the choctaw tribe in oklahoma. maybe they were affiliated with a tribe in arkansas.

someone’s family tree on ancestry said the family was “approved” but was not enrolled?

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~casiskiy/Cemeteries/MtShasta/IOOF_SE.htm
this is a cemetery record.

do you have a copy of his obituary? you might be able to get that through interlibrary loan. see your local public library for that.

the father made a late migration from AL. see the AL tribes. i think MOWA tribe is still enrolling, but i don’t know. maybe mississippi choctaw or even another tribe.

Name: William H Hall
Home in 1900: Monroe, Sevier, Arkansas
Age: 41
Birth Date: May 1859
Birthplace: Alabama
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relationship to head-of-house: Head
Father’s Birthplace: Alabama
Mother’s Birthplace: Alabama
Spouse’s Name: Victoria E Hall
Marriage year: 1885

the trail of tears occurred in the late 1830’s. see the links about the treaty of tear and the mississippi choctaw tribe in this post.

1880 United States Federal Census about William H. Hall
Name: William H. Hall
Home in 1880: Cove, Polk, Arkansas
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Birthplace: Alabama
Relation to Head of Household: Son
Father’s Name: Robert J. Hall
Father’s birthplace: Alabama
Mother’s Name: Mary E. Hall
Mother’s birthplace: Alabama
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Laborer
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Male
Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane:

View image
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert J. Hall 45
Mary E. Hall 44
William H. Hall 21
Mary A.F. Hall 19
Loos C. Hall 18
Jerimiah J. Hall 10
Minirva J. Hall 8
Lucy E. Hall 3
Samuel J. Hall 4m
Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: Cove, Polk, Arkansas; Roll: 54; Family History Film: 1254054; Page: 518C; Enumeration District: 128; Image: 0017.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government agency for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times, names of family members. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

social security application for a deceased person:
http://www.ssa.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

history of the dawes roll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Commission
wikipedia entries are sometimes opinionated; entered by volunteers.

helpful information about tribal enrollment
http://www.felihkatubbe.com/ChoctawNation/TribalMembership.html

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
you can order the dawes packet from the oklahoma historical society website.

if you find a relative listed on the dawes roll, fold3 may have filmed the record and could be available online.
http://www.fold3.com/documents/46580455/dawes-packets/
other resources are NARA http://www.archives.gov

http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html
oklahoma newspaper and archives search. some of these resources may be available through interlibrary loan/public library.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving your Choctaw Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents (application, census card and testimony) may help you find out more about your heritage.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears
http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes:
http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society
Historic Preservation and Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society
other historical societies:
http://www.daddezio.com/society/hill/SH-OK-NDX.html
some oklahoma genealogical societies:
http://www.censusfinder.com/oklahoma-genealogy-society.htm
http://www.geneasearch.com/societies/socokla.htm

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

this page can help you set up a targeted google search.
http://www.searchforancestors.com/google/searcher.html

these searches will combine several possible search terms and give you the best matches.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto