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Jason Neuman Jason Neuman

posted on October 21, 2011

I’ve traced my ancestry back to below and have birth/death certs:

James William McCoy – Born 27 Sep 1860
Mary Jane McCoy (Shivley) – 18 Mar 1870 (census card 5334)

There are many James McCoy’s listed and I found one Mary Jane McCoy with the card list above. How do you determine from here there birth dates on the cards and if any are actually related. I’ve also attached a picture of my great+ grandparents.

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suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on October 22, 2011

no location, no children, no dates/place of death, no place of birth in your post. these are common names. you need to give more information when names are common so that others can match records.

the location is a major factor when trying to find tribal affilation. in oklahoma there are 63 tribes. the dawes roll only lists the applicants to the five major tribes, during the initial enrollment 1896-1906.

do you know whether they qualified for enrollment? were they living in oklahoma by 1900 census? were their children living in oklahoma by 1900? did their family go on the trail of tears in the late 1830’s?

if they were living elsewhere, look at the federal and state tribes where they were living 1900-1930 and see if there is a tribe nearby.

these are the family groups of the people who have the first name mary and the last name mccoy:

Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Johnson Delilah 0 F 5334 P
Choctaw Johnson James C 0 M 5334 P
Choctaw Johnson Virgle Benton 1 M 1/32 5334 NR GUERTIE BB
Choctaw Johnson Alvin 17 M 1/16 5334 NR GUERTIE BB
Choctaw Johnson Alice 18 F IW 5334 NR GUERTIE BB
Choctaw McCoy Eliza 0 M 5334 P
Choctaw McCoy Mary Jane 0 F 5334 P
IW=intermarried white, a general nontribal description.
bb=by blood.

no james or jim listed and it probably would have been likely to list his name.

Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw McCoy Mary G 0 F NR R205 R
Choctaw McCoy William 8 M NR R205 R
Choctaw McCoy Cordie 16 F NR R205 R
Choctaw McCoy Maud 18 F NR R205 R
Choctaw McCoy Buford T 22 M NR R205 R
Choctaw McCoy Geneva 25 F IW R205 R
Choctaw McCoy William H 50 M NR R205 R
Choctaw Wooley Caroline 0 F R205 P
Choctaw Wooley Monroe 0 M R205 P
R=rejected
this william might be married to geneva, who is not applying for membership.
this mary might be william’s mother or william’s first wife. i don’t know. but if you know your family, you might know whether any of the other people in this family group were your family.
even if this is your family and they were rejected, the enrollment documents might be helpful to you. there would be a census card, an enrollment application and testimony.

Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw McCoy John 0 M 6064 P
Choctaw McCoy Matilda 0 F 6064 P
Choctaw McCoy William 11 M 1/16 6064 NR MARLOW BB
Choctaw McCoy Geneva 25 F IW 6064 NR MARLOW BB
Choctaw McCoy Buford T 26 M 1/16 6064 NR MARLOW BB
Choctaw McCoy Mary G 47 F IW 6064 NR MARLOW BB
Choctaw McCoy William H 54 M 1/8 6064 NR MARLOW BB
Choctaw Reville Maud 21 F 1/16 6064 NR MARLOW BB
Choctaw Woolley Caroline 0 F 6064 P
Choctaw Woolley Monroe 0 M 6064 P
Choctaw Woolley Cordie 19 F 1/16 6064 NR MARLOW BB
p=parent
this family group looks familiar. is this your family? so maybe the rejected family had applied more than once.

parents don’t have an age on the index. this is why they appear as 0. it appears that this family might be enrolled.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government agency for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times, names of family members. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

social security application for a deceased person:
http://www.ssa.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

history of the dawes roll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Commission
wikipedia entries are sometimes opinionated; entered by volunteers.

helpful information about tribal enrollment
http://www.felihkatubbe.com/ChoctawNation/TribalMembership.html

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
you can order the dawes packet from the oklahoma historical society website.

if you find a relative listed on the dawes roll, fold3 may have filmed the record and could be available online.
http://www.fold3.com/documents/46580455/dawes-packets/
other resources are NARA http://www.archives.gov

http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html
oklahoma newspaper and archives search. some of these resources may be available through interlibrary loan/public library.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving your Choctaw Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents (application, census card and testimony) may help you find out more about your heritage.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears
http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes:
http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society
Historic Preservation and Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society
other historical societies:
http://www.daddezio.com/society/hill/SH-OK-NDX.html
some oklahoma genealogical societies:
http://www.censusfinder.com/oklahoma-genealogy-society.htm
http://www.geneasearch.com/societies/socokla.htm

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

this page can help you set up a targeted google search.
http://www.searchforancestors.com/google/searcher.html

these searches will combine several possible search terms and give you the best matches.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto