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MaDonna (Brown) Sharp MaDonna (Brown) Sharp

posted on September 29, 2011

I have all my family information that lead me to a 3rd great grandmother being a full blooded Cherokee. What would be the best way of finding out if she was actually in a tribe.
Her name was Isabella Calhoun born 1817 and died 1893 Pulaski Co., KY. She married George W. Meece in Pulaski as well.
Any suggestions?
Thanks,
MaDonna

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on September 29, 2011

natives usually disclosed their blood when they enrolled in a tribe. most enrollments occurred in the 1880-1930 time period. NARA generally has a copy of those records, http://www.archives.gov
but several tribes were state recognized or are still trying to get recognized.
look at the location as a primary factor about tribal affiliation.
see the state archives, the state historical society, the state genealogical society.

maybe this is your family?

1870 United States Federal Census
about Isabella Meece

Name:

Isabella Meece

Birth Year:

abt 1816

Age in 1870:

54

Birthplace:

Kentucky

Home in 1870:

Harison, Pulaski, Kentucky

Race:

White

Gender:

Female

Value of real estate:

View image

Post Office:

Waterloo

Household Members:

Name

Age

George Meece

55

Isabella Meece

54

Betsey Ann Meece

28

Sarah C Meece

25

Jacob M Meece

18

Milly E Meece

15

Mary B Meece

8

Cordelia C Meece

5

Source Citation: Year: 1870; Census Place: Harison, Pulaski, Kentucky; Roll: M593_496; Page: 261B; Image: 208; Family History Library Film: 545995.

1880 United States Federal Census
about Isabelle Muce

Name:

Isabelle Muce

Home in 1880:

District 2, Pulaski, Kentucky

Age:

64

Estimated Birth Year:

abt 1816

Birthplace:

Kentucky

Relation to Head of Household:

Wife

Spouse’s Name:

George Muce

Father’s birthplace:

Virginia

Mother’s birthplace:

Virginia

Neighbors:

View others on page

Occupation:

Keeping House

Marital Status:

Married

Race:

White

Gender:

Female

Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane:

View image

Household Members:

Name

Age

George Muce

64

Isabelle Muce

64

Mary I. Muce

17

Sarah C. Dunsmore

36

William T. Dunsmore

9

George M. Dunsmore

7

Mary E. Dunsmore

5

Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: District 2, Pulaski, Kentucky; Roll: 440; Family History Film: 1254440; Page: 75A; Enumeration District: 84; Image: 0154.

you can correct the ancestry name index so that others can find your family.

Name:

Isabella Meece

Age in 1860:

45

Birth Year:

abt 1815

Birthplace:

Kentucky

Home in 1860:

District 1, Pulaski, Kentucky

Gender:

Female

Post Office:

Somerset

Value of real estate:

View image

Household Members:

Name

Age

George W Meece

46

Isabella Meece

45

William Meece

21

Elisabeth Meece

19

Sarah Meece

17

Jeremiah Meece

15

Esther Meece

13

Jacob Meece

11

Milly Meece

9

Amanda Meece

7

Hannah J Rauff

24

Margaret Rauff

6

Orlanda Rauff

4

George Rauff

5/12

Source Citation: Year: 1860; Census Place: District 1, Pulaski, Kentucky; Roll: M653_393; Page: 307; Image: 307; Family History Library Film: 803393.

1850 United States Federal Census
about Isabell Meece

Name:

Isabell Meece

Age:

36

Estimated Birth Year:

abt 1814

Birth Place:

Kentucky

Gender:

Female

Home in 1850 (City,County,State):

Division 1, Wayne, Kentucky

Family Number:

17

Household Members:

Name

Age

George Meece

36

Isabell Meece

36

Hannah J Meece

14

William H Meece

11

Elizabeth Meece

8

Sarah Meece

6

Jeremiah Meece

4

Ester B Meece

2

Source Citation: Year: 1850; Census Place: Division 1, Wayne, Kentucky; Roll: M432_221; Page: 285A; Image: 314.

this is a new location.

U.S. Civil War Soldiers, 1861-1865
about George W. Meece

Name:

George W. Meece

Side:

Union

Regiment State/Origin:

Kentucky

Regiment Name:

10 Kentucky Infantry.

Regiment Name Expanded:

10th Regiment, Kentucky Infantry

Company:

G

Rank In:

Private

Rank In Expanded:

Private

Rank Out:

Corporal

Rank Out Expanded:

Corporal

Film Number:

M386 roll 18

you might check to see if there is a civil war pension record.

Civil War Pension Index: General Index to Pension Files, 1861-1934
about George W. Meece

Name:

George W. Meece

State Filed:

Kentucky

there would be heritage information in this application.

1840 United States Federal Census
about George Meade

Name:

George Meade
[George Meece]

Township:

Pulaski

County:

Pulaski

State:

Kentucky

i don’t see much information about where she might have been born.
in cases like that, i usually start with the death and work backward in time, down to the birth.
historical newspapers might have news items, like obituaries, births, marriages. state archives, state historical societies might have these. there might also be some websites on the internet with newspapers. i’d go to the public library and see if there were any newspapers that i could access through interlibrary loan.

state vital records or state archives for birth/death/marriage documents.

as far as native records, she might not have lived on reservation. if she was on reservation, you can check with the census and database records here.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/indianlocation.htm
http://www.native-languages.org/tennessee.htm
with a map

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kypchs/

http://history.ky.gov/

a fair # of kentucky resources.
http://history.ky.gov/sub.php?pageid=113&sectionid=3

i would start with a death record. maybe a death certificate from KY vital records or KY state archives. or an obituary, maybe from KY archives, KY genealogical society or KY state historical socidety. maybe a cemetery record from one of these resources or interment.com or findagrave.com

then try for a marriage license. look for the children’s birth records. perhaps the mention of a child’s birth in the newspaper. or maybe a birth certificate or delayed birth certificate from a child. when social security came into effect 1/1/1937, people filled out a social security application and submitted a birth certificate or a delayed birth certificate to show proof of age.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government agency for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times, names of family members. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

social security application for a deceased person:
http://www.ssa.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

history of the dawes roll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Commission
wikipedia entries are sometimes opinionated; entered by volunteers.

helpful information about tribal enrollment
http://www.felihkatubbe.com/ChoctawNation/TribalMembership.html

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
you can order the dawes packet from the oklahoma historical society website.

if you find a relative listed on the dawes roll, fold3 may have filmed the record and could be available online.
http://www.fold3.com/documents/46580455/dawes-packets/
other resources are NARA http://www.archives.gov

http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html
oklahoma newspaper and archives search. some of these resources may be available through interlibrary loan/public library.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving your Choctaw Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents (application, census card and testimony) may help you find out more about your heritage.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears
http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes:
http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society
Historic Preservation and Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society
other historical societies:
http://www.daddezio.com/society/hill/SH-OK-NDX.html
some oklahoma genealogical societies:
http://www.censusfinder.com/oklahoma-genealogy-society.htm
http://www.geneasearch.com/societies/socokla.htm

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

this page can help you set up a targeted google search.
http://www.searchforancestors.com/google/searcher.html

these searches will combine several possible search terms and give you the best matches.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto