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Sean Pritchett Sean Pritchett

posted on September 15, 2011

Hello, I am researching my family history and want to know more about some of my relatives with Choctaw ties. My Grandmother is Lois Gotcher of Sherman, TX. Her maiden name is Riddle. I believe her Father’s name was either John or James Riddle. She was born in the early 1920’s and lived in a town that is now part of Lake Texoma. If anyone could help me sort out or narrow down my search I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks,

Sean Pritchett

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on September 15, 2011

john or james riddle
lois riddle b. ~1920

unfortunately there are several possible lois riddle records, none with a good match for the father’s name.

1930 United States Federal Census
about Lois Riddle

Name:

Lois Riddle

Home in 1930:

Precinct 7, Grayson, Texas
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Age:

6

Estimated Birth Year:

abt 1924

Relation to Head of House:

Daughter

Father’s Name:

Louis R Riddle

Mother’s Name:

Susie Riddle

Race:

White

Occupation:

Education:

Military Service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents’ birthplace:

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Neighbors:

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Household Members:

Name

Age

Louis R Riddle

42

Susie Riddle

36

Ben Riddle

17

Evelyn Riddle

13

Gladys Riddle

11

Lonny Riddle

9

Lee Riddle

7

Lois Riddle

6

Edna Riddle

4

Julia F Riddle

1 3/12

Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Precinct 7, Grayson, Texas; Roll: 2338; Page: 2B; Enumeration District: 57; Image: 583.0.

if you don’t have access to ancestry.com, you can go to your public library and they probably have a subscription.

do you have a copy of her obituary? cemetery record?

SHERMAN – Lee Daniel Riddle, 87-Year-old Sherman resident, passed away Tuesday, June 30, 2009, at the Hilltop Haven Christian Care Center in Gunter. Services will be at 2 p.m. Thursday, July 2 at in the Chapel on the Hill at Cedarlawn Memorial Park. Officiating will be the Rev. Charles Glass of the Faith Church with services under the direction of Waldo Funeral Home. Pallbearers will be Sonny Riddle, Jon Sanders, Vic Gotcher, Hugh (Bud) Martin, Benny Riddle and Todd Prather. Burial with military honors will conclude the service.
Mr. Riddle was born April 22, 1922 in Dexter, the son of Louis Richard and Susie Sykes Riddle. He married Billie Merle Rains March 9, 1963 in Sherman. Lee worked in the oil fields of Texas, and then became a barber in Sherman. He was a member of the East Sherman Baptist Church, Masonic Lodge 263 in Whitesboro, and the Scottish Rite in Dallas. He was a veteran of the U.S. Army in World War II.
Lee enjoyed country music and loved to play his guitar and fiddle. He loved going to the Peanut Festival in Whitesboro and seeing all of his old friends. He also entertained his customers at the barbershop with his country music.
Mr. Riddle is survived by his stepson, Tom Rains and wife Becky Rains of Sherman; granddaughter Stephanie Leigh Prather and husband Todd Prather of McKinney; brother, Ben Riddle of Whitesboro; sisters, Evelyn Martin of Arkansas, Gladys Brooks of Sherman, Lois Gotcher and husband John W. of Sherman, Edna Di Donna of California and Julia Knox and husband Alvin of Grand Prairie; eight nephews and 13 nieces. Preceding him in death were his wife Billie M. Riddle and his brother Tommy W. Riddle.
The family requests memorials are given to the Faith Church Building Fund, P.O. Box 1061, Sherman, TX 75091.
The family will receive friends in the Chapel on the Hill at Cedarlawn Memorial Park from 1 p.m. until service time. The online register book can be signed at waldofuneralhome.com.

Name of Deceased:

Lee D. Riddle

Gender:

M (Male)

Age at Death:

87

Death Date:

30 Jun 2009

Death Place:

Gunter

Obituary Date:

2 Jul 2009

Newspaper Title:

Herald Democrat, The

Newspaper Location:

Sherman, TX, USA

Birth Date:

22 Apr 1922

Residence (at time of death):

Sherman

see your local public library/interlibrary loan program for a copy of this obituary.

her birthdate might be 14 Apr 1924.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government agency for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times, names of family members. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

social security application for a deceased person:
http://www.ssa.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

history of the dawes roll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Commission
wikipedia entries are sometimes opinionated; entered by volunteers.

helpful information about tribal enrollment
http://www.felihkatubbe.com/ChoctawNation/TribalMembership.html

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
you can order the dawes packet from the oklahoma historical society website.

if you find a relative listed on the dawes roll, fold3 may have filmed the record and could be available online.
http://www.fold3.com/documents/46580455/dawes-packets/
other resources are NARA http://www.archives.gov

http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html
oklahoma newspaper and archives search. some of these resources may be available through interlibrary loan/public library.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving your Choctaw Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents (application, census card and testimony) may help you find out more about your heritage.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears
http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes:
http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society
Historic Preservation and Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society
other historical societies:
http://www.daddezio.com/society/hill/SH-OK-NDX.html
some oklahoma genealogical societies:
http://www.censusfinder.com/oklahoma-genealogy-society.htm
http://www.geneasearch.com/societies/socokla.htm

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

this page can help you set up a targeted google search.
http://www.searchforancestors.com/google/searcher.html

these searches will combine several possible search terms and give you the best matches.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Sean Pritchett Sean Pritchett

posted on September 15, 2011

Thank you for your help. After speaking to my mother, her Grandpa’s name was Louis. So you’ve helped me in naming my Great Grandfather and Grandmother. I look forward to seeing what else I can find out.

Thanks,

Sean