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Mystery of Serenda

Sue Sue

posted on September 11, 2011

Our family has been searching for verifiable information on an ancestor for some time with little success. Her name was Serilda or Serenda Perkins. She was born about 1835 and died in 1912. It was said that she was born in Magoffin Co.,KY, but no record can be found of either her birth or her parents. She died in Wolfe Co.,KY. There is a story in the family that Alfred Bailey took her from a Choctaw reservation and married her when she was fifteen. Of course there were no Choctaw reservations in Kentucky, but he was a soldier and no reference to where this reservation was is mentioned. Apparently Alfred had several wives, but no divorces or deaths of wives can be found. In the picture I have she is clearly native american in appearance, although identified as white on census forms. If anyone knows anything about her parentage we would love to have that information. Every family seems to have at least one “mystery” ancestor who captures the imagination and becomes a quest, she is ours.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on September 11, 2011 and updated on September 11, 2011

you should try to find the native tribes in KY. you should also look to the kentucky state archives, the state historical society and the state genealogical society.

Serenda (Syrilda) Perkins
Birth: Abt 1832 – Magoffin, Kentucky, USA
Death: 4 August 1912 (4 Aug 1912) – Wolfe, Kentucky, USA
Marriage: 15 Feb 1852 – Lawrence, Kentucky, USA
Spouse: Alfred C Bailey

Source Citation: Year: 1870; Census Place: Thomas, Lee, Kentucky; Roll: M593_481; Page: 344A; Image: 84; Family History Library Film: 545980.

Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: Proctor, Lee, Kentucky; Roll: 427; Family History Film: 1254427; Page: 467D; Enumeration District: 59; Image: 0743.

Name:

Syrilda Bailey
[Syrilda Perkins]

Death Date:

4 Aug 1912

Death Location:

Wolfe

Age:

76

Gender:

Female

Ethnicity:

White

Birth Date:

10 Mar 1836

Birth Location:

Magoffin, Kentucky

Father’s Name:

Perkins

she is a widow, white, died of apoplexy.
•Kentucky. Kentucky Birth, Marriage and Death Records – Microfilm (1852-1910). Microfilm rolls #994027-994058. Kentucky Department for Libraries and Archives, Frankfort, Kentucky.

this might be her:
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Antioch, Wolfe, Kentucky; Roll: T623_555; Page: 2B; Enumeration District: 99.

he might have filed a pension application, which would list a lot of information about the family.

Civil War Pension Index: General Index to Pension Files, 1861-1934
about Alfred Bailey

Name:

Alfred Bailey

State Filed:

Kentucky

see ancestry.com or NARA for more information. NARA http://www.archives.gov has the native and military records.

the name is common, so you will have to find out where these armies were raised:

Name:

Alfred Bailey

Side:

Union

Regiment State/Origin:

Kentucky

Regiment Name:

8 Kentucky Infantry

Regiment Name Expanded:

8th Regiment, Kentucky Infantry

Company:

G,C

Rank In:

Private

Rank In Expanded:

Private

Rank Out:

Private

Rank Out Expanded:

Private

Film Number:

M386 roll 2

View Record

Alfred Bailey

24th Regiment, Kentucky Infantry

Union

Kentucky

View Record

Alfred Bailey

21st Regiment, Kentucky Infantry

Union

Kentucky

View Record

Alfred Bailey

8th Regiment, Kentucky Infantry

Union

Kentucky

kentucky state archives
http://www.statearchives.us/kentucky.htm

http://chfs.ky.gov/dph/vital/
KY vital records

http://www.genealogy.com/00000191.html
resources
http://www.kindredtrails.com/kentucky.html

location is often a key to finding tribal affiliation
http://500nations.com/Kentucky_Tribes.asp
http://www.native-languages.org/kentucky.htm

i see that a triibe is petitioning to be recognized. if your relatives lived near their location, you should contact them asap.
http://www.aaanativearts.com/tribes-by-states/kentucky_tribes.htm

http://www.archaeolink.com/kentucky_indian_tribes_native_am.htm

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government agency for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times, names of family members. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

social security application for a deceased person:
http://www.ssa.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

history of the dawes roll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Commission
wikipedia entries are sometimes opinionated; entered by volunteers.

helpful information about tribal enrollment
http://www.felihkatubbe.com/ChoctawNation/TribalMembership.html

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
you can order the dawes packet from the oklahoma historical society website.

if you find a relative listed on the dawes roll, fold3 may have filmed the record and could be available online.
http://www.fold3.com/documents/46580455/dawes-packets/
other resources are NARA http://www.archives.gov

http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html
oklahoma newspaper and archives search. some of these resources may be available through interlibrary loan/public library.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving your Choctaw Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents (application, census card and testimony) may help you find out more about your heritage.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears
http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes:
http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society
Historic Preservation and Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society
other historical societies:
http://www.daddezio.com/society/hill/SH-OK-NDX.html
some oklahoma genealogical societies:
http://www.censusfinder.com/oklahoma-genealogy-society.htm
http://www.geneasearch.com/societies/socokla.htm

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

this page can help you set up a targeted google search.
http://www.searchforancestors.com/google/searcher.html

these searches will combine several possible search terms and give you the best matches.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Brian Angel Brian Angel

posted on September 30, 2011

Hello my name is Brian i too am lookin for info alferd bailey and serilda perkins i have alferds year of birth as 1825 and year of death as 1890 and i have serilda year of birth as 1836 and her year of death as 1912 you side you have a pix of them would u mind sending it to me my email addy is signaturefan33@live.com im sending u a pix of who i thank are them i know the pix is missed labled we thank but could u tell me if it is them if it is they r kin to me on my grandmothers side and i would like to find out any info i can on them

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