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C. Nelson C. Nelson

posted on September 3, 2011 and updated on September 3, 2011

Hi- I am the grandaughter of Floyd Nelson his father was in Blue Okla. and I don’t know his first name, but he was full Choctaw and died setting dynamite for the road surveyers. Floyd’s brother was Mac, and he had a sister and the mother was Irish. They all lived in Blue. I am looking to join the Tribe, but I am afraid I have no records. Any relatives out there who could tell me about my family ?

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on September 3, 2011

you will need to collect documentation, in order to get names, dates, locations, children and spouse.
nelson is a common surname. mac sounds like a nickname. irish also sounds like a nickname.
we use the county name, rather than the city or town. records are more likely at the county.
you might contact vital records at the county, for information such as birth, death, marriage records.

many times, looking at the social security death index 1964-present can help you with dates. http://ssdi.rootsweb.ancestry.com/
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/

anyone who passed away after 1/1/1937 has a social security application on file. this would list parents, locations, significant dates.

in collecting records, i often start with the death and work backwards in time. birth, marriage records are primary records about those events. death record can often refer to previous dates, locations. cemetery record can be helpful. obituaries might be available through your local public library/interlibrary loan program.

when you get to the 1900-1930 time period, you can look at the census records, 1900-1930. ancestry.com and heritage quest have those records and they would be accessible through your local public library.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

social security application for a deceased person:
http://www.ssa.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

history of the dawes roll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Commission
wikipedia entries are sometimes opinionated; entered by volunteers.

helpful information about tribal enrollment
http://www.felihkatubbe.com/ChoctawNation/TribalMembership.html

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
you can order the dawes packet from the oklahoma historical society website.

if you find a relative listed on the dawes roll, fold3 may have filmed the record and could be available online.
http://www.fold3.com/documents/46580455/dawes-packets/
other resources are NARA http://www.archives.gov

http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html
oklahoma newspaper and archives search. some of these resources may be available through interlibrary loan/public library.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving your Choctaw Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents (application, census card and testimony) may help you find out more about your heritage.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes: http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society 22
Historic Preservation and
Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center 23
Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

this page can help you set up a targeted google search.
http://www.searchforancestors.com/google/searcher.html

these searches will combine several possible search terms and give you the best matches.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

C. Nelson C. Nelson

posted on September 5, 2011

No Susan, Mac was his brothers name-not a nickname. “Irish” was not a nickname either, it what you are when you are from Ireland, as his mother was.
It is my BLOOD whether or not someone else has records or wants proof. And this you cannot change nor take away from me. I am very proud of my heritage even though after Floyd fought in WW2, his family disowned him. Or at least, his mother did, as his father had passed.
This is my heritage, my family story , and my blood; I do not care what anyone else says or thinks about it. Just trying to meet my cousins, as I am hoping Mac took a wife, and started a family.
They had their own land with a stream, Floyd had a pet skunk and he rode his horse to school. Floyd was quite hurt by his families treatment of him, and never spoke about them- so these are my clues. And it isn’t for anyone else to decide what my BLOOD is.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on September 5, 2011

i was trying to help you find your relatives. i am not sure if you want help or not.

you will need documents. i often tell people to start with what they know, gather documents, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificate and marriage license and then you can go backward in time.

you are right when you say that you want to post in order to meet family. my previous post suggests some messageboard websites.

if you want to enroll in a tribe, you will have to trace your ancestors down to an original enrollee. there are 63 tribes in oklahoma, but the dawes roll contain the names of applicants to the five major tribes in oklahoma 1896-1906.

when you get to the 1900-1930 time period, you can use the federal census to help with the family members and locations. i do not know if any of the people in your post was alive in that time period. the 1940 census will be available in 2012.

often obituaries can help fill in some details. you might be able to find those through the interlibrary loan program, your local public library. it usually helps if you know when/where someone passed away. you might be able to find them on findagrave.com or interment.com or the social security death index 1964-present.

since there are no dates in your post, i don’t think i can find records for you.
i did try a search for the names, but didn’t find anything with all three names. irish nelson came up completely blank. she might have been alive after 1930 and married, so i didn’t think i would find her at all. i searched for just the first name irish but didn’t see anything in that area.

gl.