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Jimmy Jimmy

posted on August 20, 2011

i have been going to the local library and searching the census records found alot of information about my family.. but when i compare to the dawes rolls im hitting a wall.. it seems like the alpha report i have just doesnt have the info to match up with.. im in the time era of when the sign up happened but im noticing names spelled different and lack of info.. i have found a few with 2 or 3 spelling differences in just the census records..Any suggestions??

im currently searching dawes alpha report, local library, and familysearch.org.. Any help would be much appreciated.. im new to this all so im kind of going at it the hard way..

Jimmy Jimmy

posted on August 20, 2011

also can anyone tell me what “getting married under indian law” means?? i had family members get married under the indian law in 1902 but cant seem to find the paperwork my grandma said was present with the marriage documents.. was told it was a document with the choctaw nation seal i believe..

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on August 20, 2011

try this for choctaw marriages, groom surname
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/chocmarriageindex.htm

also, you can try contacting the oklahoma historical society about marriages also.

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm

choctaw marriage
http://www.choctawnation.com/culture-heritage/choctaw-traditions/choctaw-marriage/

http://mike-boucher.com/wordpress/?page_id=167

many were illiterate at the time, and different spellings are very common.

you might have more luck with native records here:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
put the first few characters of the surname and a few characters in the first name. then see if there are any matches. you can do a partial name search.

if you see a likely relative, click on the # in the card column and you can see the family group.

the whole key to trying to find records is that you know your family. who would you expect to find in someone’s family group.. how old would they be 1896-1906? do you know where they were living?

if you don’t know this information, try to find your family on the federal census records, 1900-1930. this might help you figure out which people would be with them in a family group.

ancestry.com and heritage.com have census records and your local public library probably has a subscription to those databases. while you might only be able to use ancestry.com at your library, often heritage quest can be accessed from your home through your library card.

ancestry.com has searches on partial names, using ? and *. heritage quest requires the exact start of a name, but you can look at an area with the name.

state archives, state genealogical society, state historical society would be helpful. newspapers, obituaries, notice of events in your family such as marriage and birth and death.

the idea behind genealogy is to get organized, try to do one generation at a time. you collected documents, value little bits of information.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

social security application for a deceased person:
http://www.ssa.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

helpful information about tribal enrollment
http://www.felihkatubbe.com/ChoctawNation/TribalMembership.html

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving your Choctaw Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents (application, census card and testimony) may help you find out more about your heritage.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes: http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society 22
Historic Preservation and
Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center 23
Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Jimmy Jimmy

posted on August 20, 2011

thank you for all the info.. it helps alot.. i have found most in 1900, 1910, and 1920 census records.. a few back to the 1850 census.. i have hit a wall at 3 corners.. one is Ephram J Brown who was married to Martha R Brown they had Arthor J Brown, Y.K. Brown aka Young Keller, and Parlee Brown that married a thomas then a Crims.. the second line is Parlee’s husband John Crims aka Johnny Crims I can find his father and brother but no info on his mother on 1890 or 1900 census.. the third is a Georgia Godwin that married James Duke she was from tuskahoma.. My email is duke02_78@yahoo.com.. Id appreciate any help i can get..

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on August 21, 2011

1890 census was largely destroyed in a fire. sometimes people can find a relative in the 1890 civil war veteran census. and there are some online city directories from that time period. sometimes there’s a state census in that time period. but largely, the record skips to 1900.

you gave no approximate dates for any of these people. brown is a very common name. no spouses names. no maiden name for martha r. brown. not certain of tuskahoma location and how this fits in. you don’t give the location for the 1900-1920 census nor the 1850 census. i am not even sure i know who you are trying to find in which census.

i am willing to work on this if i have better information. please ask me for one family at a time, because it will help me try to find the appropriate records.

there is an ephraim brown on the dawes roll, but i don’t know if this is your relative:
Dawes Card Information
tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Brown J J 0 M 1199 P
Choctaw Brown Mike J 0 M 1199 P
Choctaw Brown Ida 3 F FULL 1199 14646 GOODWATER BB
Choctaw Brown Chloe 5 F FULL 1199 3253 GOODWATER BB
Choctaw Brown Ephraim 7 M FULL 1199 3252 GOODWATER BB
Choctaw Brown Victor 9 M FULL 1199 3251 GOODWATER BB
Choctaw Brown Willard 12 M FULL 1199 3250 GOODWATER BB
Choctaw Brown Alie 29 F FULL 1199 3249 GOODWATER BB
Choctaw Going Eliza 0 F 1199 P
Choctaw Mc Clure Isom 0 M 1199 P
bb=by blood
p=parent
this ephraim is 7 years old at the time of application.
the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906.

this census record looks likely:
1880 United States Federal Census about Ephrem J. Brown
Name: Ephrem J. Brown
[Ephraim J. Brown]
Home in 1880: Cullman, Alabama
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Birthplace: Georgia
Relation to Head of Household: Self (Head)
Father’s birthplace: South Carolina
Mother’s name: Martha R. Brown
Mother’s birthplace: South Carolina
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Farmer
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane:

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Household Members:
Name Age
Ephrem J. Brown 47
Martha R. Brown 38
Parlee Brown 7
Young K. Brown 3
Lida Brown 2
Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: , Cullman, Alabama; Roll: 10; Family History Film: 1254010; Page: 529D; Enumeration District: 47; .

if they were in AL, they could be MOWA or mississippi choctaw. links to those tribes are in my previous post.

1900 United States Federal Census about John Brown
Name: John Brown
[John E Brown]
Home in 1900: Militia District 8, Chatham, Georgia
[Chatham, Georgia]
Age: 66
Birth Date: 1834
Birthplace: Georgia
Race: Black
Gender: Male
Relationship to head-of-house: Head
Father’s Birthplace: Georgia
Mother’s Birthplace: Georgia
Marital Status: Widowed
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Brown 66
Liddia Jenkins 20
Chas Jenkins 25
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Militia District 8, Chatham, Georgia; Roll: T623_185; Page: 10B; Enumeration District: 28.

georgia could be cherokee or chickasaw too.

1900 United States Federal Census about Young K Brown
Name: Young K Brown
Home in 1900: Township 4, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory
Age: 23
Birthplace: Alabama
Race: White
Relationship to head-of-house: Head
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Young K Brown 23
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Township 4, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory; Roll: T623_1851; Enumeration District: 94.
township 4N range 23E
on the regular federal census, but not on the indian population census in this year.

but i do not see that he applied for enrollment.

1910 United States Federal Census about Young K Brown
Name: Young K Brown
Age in 1910: 33
Estimated Birth Year: 1877
Birthplace: Alabama
Relation to Head of House: Boarder
Father’s Birth Place: Georgia
Mother’s Birth Place: Georgia
Home in 1910: Brogdon, Johnston, Oklahoma
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Floyd L Wright 21
Ann Wright 56
Young K Brown 33
Cora E Brown 17
Jewel M Brown 1/12
0
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Brogdon, Johnston, Oklahoma; Roll: T624_1254; Page: 13A; Enumeration District: 0118; Image: 1000; FHL Number: 1375267.

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 about Young Kelle Brown
Name: Young Kelle Brown
County: Orange
State: Texas
Birth Date: 7 Jul 1876
Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1983499
DraftBoard: 0
sister is parallee crims, nearest relative. having a hard time reading the town where she lives in OK. i did report this image as unreadable because it is cut off. ancestry might re-film it in the next few months. if not, this card would be available at NARA/national archives and records administration http://www.archives.gov
he registered 9/12/1918

this might be him:
1930 United States Federal Census about Young K Brown
Name: Young K Brown
Home in 1930: Port Arthur, Jefferson, Texas
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Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Birthplace: Alabama
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse’s Name: Cora Brown
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military Service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents’ birthplace:

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Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Young K Brown 48
Cora Brown 39
Hazel V Brown 10
Ira Miller 20
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Port Arthur, Jefferson, Texas; Roll: 2363; Page: 9A; Enumeration District: 70; Image: 470.0.

1920 United States Federal Census about Parilee Crims
Name: Parilee Crims
[Pariler Crims]
[Parilee Crevis??]
Home in 1920: Talihina, Le Flore, Oklahoma
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Birthplace: Alabama
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse’s Name: John Crims
Father’s Birth Place: Georgia
Mother’s Birth Place: Georgia
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Female
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: No
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Crims 43
Parilee Crims 46
Cecil Crims 13
Paul Crims 10
Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Talihina, Le Flore, Oklahoma; Roll: T625_1468; Page: 26B; Enumeration District: 121; Image: 886.

1910 United States Federal Census about Paralan Crims
Name: Paralan Crims
[Parlee Crims]
Age in 1910: 36
Estimated Birth Year: 1874
Birthplace: Alabama
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Father’s Birth Place: Georgia
Mother’s Birth Place: Georgia
Spouse’s Name: John Crims
Home in 1910: Summerfield, Le Flore, Oklahoma
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Female
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Crims 37
Paralan Crims 36
Rosalee Crims 8
Cecil Crims 3
Paul M Crims 4/12
0
Martha Thomas 21
Leroy Thomas 18
Arthur Young 11
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Summerfield, Le Flore, Oklahoma; Roll: T624_1258; Page: 4A; Enumeration District: 0145; Image: 107; FHL Number: 1375271.

martha, leroy and arthur are stepchildren of john. arthur’s surname may be thomas.

1900 United States Federal Census about Le Roy Thomas
Name: Le Roy Thomas
Home in 1900: Township 4, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory
Age: 8
Birthplace: Alabama
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relationship to head-of-house: Grandson
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Erdman G Brown 64
Arthur Brown 19
Veattos Brown 15
Pearle Thomas 25
Martha Thomas 12
Le Roy Thomas 8
Arthun J Thomas 1
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Township 4, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory; Roll: T623_1851; Enumeration District: 94.

could erdman be ephram?
could he also have returned to GA and been on the other census?
township 4N range 22E

it does look like ephraim to me. you might want to correct the ancestry name index so that others can find your family.

they rent the farm. this is important because it means that they don’t have an tribal allotment.

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 about John Crims
Name: John Crims
County: Le Flore
State: Oklahoma
Birth Date: 18 Dec 1877
Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1851803
DraftBoard: 0

i notice a joseph a. dukes was the enumerator for the 1900 census, enumeration district 94.

re: cullman county, AL
This area was inhabited for thousands of years by varying cultures of indigenous peoples. The historic Cherokee and Choctaw lived here at the time of European encounter. The Cherokee who remained in the county after Indian Removal in the 1830s have worked at reviving their culture in the last thirty years. The Echota Cherokee are a recognized tribe.

possible military records:
Ephraim Brown 13th Regiment, Alabama Infantry Confederate Alabama
View Record
Ephraim J. Brown 12th Regiment, Alabama Infantry Confederate Alabama
View Record
Ephraim J. Brown 13th Regiment, Alabama Infantry Confederate Alabama
View Record
Ephram Brown 4th Regiment, Alabama Infantry Confederate Alabama

i am having a hard time with ancestry.com because they recently changed their programming and the searches are a lot more difficult. they didn’t test it to make sure you can search with specific locations, etc. the newspapers don’t have a good search and now, unfortunately, all records appear to be deaf to location, dates.

gl.