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Jeff Allen Jeff Allen

posted on June 26, 2010

Looking for info on my Grandmother. Would have left for California around 1922-23. She was born in AK.

Emma Fletcher
b1893
d1969

LeFlore/Gardner Descendant Debi LeFlore/Gardner Descendant Debi

posted on June 27, 2010

Her parents were William F. Fletcher (Choctaw card 1747/roll no. 4944) and Eliza Impson (roll no. 4945), born about 1846 and 1855, respectively. I have 2 siblings listed for her. They are:
Emiline Fletcher, b. about 1876; d. unknown; married Harrison Nohio; Choctaw card 1747/roll no. 4946
Tillis Fletcher, b. about 1890; d. unknown; Choctaw card 1747/roll no. 4947

William F. Fletcher’s parents were Jim and Jincy (unknown) Fletcher.

Eliza’s parents were Josiah and Nancy (unknown) Impson. Josiah Impson, b. 1824 Jacks Fork Co., IT; d. 2 SEP 1896 Jacks Fork Co., IT; m. 1- Jane Fletcher, 2- Nancy (unknown), and 3- Sukie (unknown).

I am attaching a file with the descendants of John Adam Impson for you.

attached:

Jeff Allen Jeff Allen

posted on July 8, 2010

Per http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~impson/josiah.htm
Thats not my Emma. This one passed on in 1945, mine passed when I was in Jr High in 1969.
Mine married an Albert William Allen b1883 MO d1951 Kern Co CA

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on July 8, 2010

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather thann less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.

one of the problems is that these were common names. and i don’t see any with a birthdate of 1893 arkansas.
i am looking at the california death index and i’m not seeing a match.
do you have any documents at all?
you should get a copy of her death certificate and see what that says.
then you should get a copy of her birth certificate or social security application to see what those documents say.

california
http://www.cdph.ca.gov/certlic/birthdeathmar/pages/default.aspx
arkansas
http://www.healthy.arkansas.gov/Pages/default.aspx
if one of your relatives was born before 1/1/1937, you might have to see if they filed a delayed birth certificate to show proof of age when they applied for social security. so be sure and ask for a birth certificate or a delayed birth certificate, when you ask for one.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Jeff Allen Jeff Allen

posted on July 10, 2010

I don’t have anyone left to ask but an Uncle that still won’t talk about it. I am going by Census records for the most part.

Now the CA death index has a birth date of 02/13/1887 and her mothers maiden name is Lee. The date of her death is correct I believe 11/19/1968. No SSN listed.

The depression era folks were a secretive bunch about being Native American.

Thanks so much for the direction.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on July 10, 2010

i can help you more if i knew her married name. as i said, i don’t see a match with the california death index. that means i must be looking at the wrong surname.

is this one of the census records?
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Mosely, Delaware, Oklahoma; Roll 1902; Page: 5B; Enumeration District: 6; Image: 108.0.

i can’t seem to find the CA death record so there is nothing wrong with the information that i am putting in for the search.

you can get the social security # from the social security death index 1964-present.
i am not findinng a match for those birth and dates of death no matter what i do. so i’m putting something in wrong. this is the problem with giving partial information.

genealogists use names, dates, location, children and spouse to match records. please put this all in one post so that i have more complete information about emma and can find your family.

Jeff Allen Jeff Allen

posted on July 11, 2010

Emma “Fletcher” Allen
Mother maiden name “Lee”
DOB per CA Death Index 02/13/1887
(I think she also used 1893)
DOD per CA Death Index 11/19/1968 Kern County CA
Place of birth Arkansas No SSN
Spouse Albert William Allen b. 09/28/1883 MO
They were in OK for the birth of my aunt in 1912
1920 Census she and Albert lived here
Holly Creek & Sulphur Springs Townships, Howard, Arkansas
1930 Census they lived in San Luis Obispo CA.
In 1925 they were in TX where my father was born, I was always told it was just a stop over on the way west.

A bunch of the Fletchers headed to Calif during the dust bowel. They are in the Santa Maria area. I am sending a letter to the eldest that I know of. He was always called my fathers cousin, but I am not real sure he is.

I am new to this sorry

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on July 11, 2010

when we are talking about citations of documents, this is the style that people expect to see:

Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: North Little Rock Ward 5, Pulaski, Arkansas; Roll T625_80; Page: 9B; Enumeration District: 167; Image: 353.

1920 United States Federal Census
about Albert Allen
Name: Albert Allen
Home in 1920: North Little Rock Ward 5, Pulaski, Arkansas
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1884
Birthplace: Missouri
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
[Head]
Spouse’s name: Emma
Father’s Birth Place: Tennessee
Mother’s Birth Place: Kentucky
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Rent
Able to read: No
Able to Write: No
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Albert Allen 36
Emma Allen 27
Willie Allen 9
Cloydie Allen 7
17

i am STILL confused. i don’t see them in howard county in 1920.

but from what i gather from your post, they probably didn’t apply for enrollment because they were not living in oklahoma/indian territory by 1900.

Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: San Luis Obispo, San Luis Obispo, California; Roll 213; Page: 8A; Enumeration District: 27; Image: 548.0.

donald allen b. TX 1926 or so.

Texas Birth Index, 1903-1997
about Albert Lenord Allen
Name: Albert Lenord Allen
Date of Birth: 11 Aug 1926
Gender: Male
Birth County: Stephens
Father’s Name: Albert Allen
Mother’s Name: Emmey Fletcher
Roll Number: 1926_0001

texas vital records http://www.dshs.state.tx.us/

your california death stuff still doesn’t work for me and i don’t know why.
Exact Search Results – California Death Index, 1940-1997
You searched for Person died in Kern Refine your search

All Birth, Marriage & Death Results Viewing 1-4 of 4

View Record Name Death Date Death Place Birth Date Birthplace Mother’s Maiden Name Order Record
View Record
Carel L Allen 19 Nov 1968 Kern 18 May 1901 Oklahoma Long
View Record
John Jolstad 19 Nov 1968 Kern 13 Nov 1884 Minnesota Rodestve
View Record
Martin W Morris 19 Nov 1968 Kern 20 Sep 1908 South Carolina Gaskins
View Record

PreviewName: Marion E Sampson
Sex: FEMALE
Birth Date: 12 Aug 1917
Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Death Date: 19 Nov 1968
Death Place: Kern
Mother’s Maiden Name: Lee

See more
Marion E Sampson 19 Nov 1968 Kern 12 Aug 1917 Pennsylvania Lee

i should be able to find the record in california but i’m not able to, given birthdate, date/place of death.
you should get a copy of the death certificate.

can hyou find her information on rootsweb social security death index 1964 to present?
http://www.rootsweb.com
she would have filled out an application for social security and she knew who her parents were, locations and dates.
this can help to guide your research.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Jeff Allen Jeff Allen

posted on September 5, 2011

In the SSN death index use SSN 557-80-4583
She comes right up using Emma Allen in Kern County
Your 1920 info is correct, the two children list are two aunts of mine. In 1930 they were in San Luis Obispo and shows up on the Census. I can’t find her earlier that the 1920 Census. Albert shows up earlier with his father Charles C Allen in AR.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on September 5, 2011 and updated on September 5, 2011

it looks to me as if you are using mostly the census and death indexes. you do need to get the death and marriage and birth documents.

she might have filed a delayed birth certificate when she applied for social security. if you ask for a birth certificate, you have to also ask for a delayed birth certificate.

one cheap thing you can do is look for her obituary. you have a date and location. go to your public library and ask how to use the interlibrary loan program for this purpose. you might also want to look for other historical newspapers for birth of children, marriage.