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My Great Grandmother

Scott Coleman Scott Coleman

posted on August 9, 2011

Hello,

I am trying to place what tribe my Great Grandmother came from. Her name is Havo Maud Haskins and she was born in the 1800’s in Illinois. She married Edward Clickner and moved to Beadle South Dakota. Please help. Thank you.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on August 9, 2011

in my opinion, you are trying to look very far back for information. for one thing, natives didn’t have a written language until the 1850’s. further, tribal affiliation was usually only disclosed when someone enrolled in a tribe. that enrollment period was likely 1880-1920 time period. with the choctaw tribe in oklahoma, this enrollment period was 1896-1906. these records were stored at NARA/national archives and records administration http://www.archives.gov fort worth, TX office. the oklahoma historical society may also have a copy of those records.

there were many bands of natives that were affiliated with different tribes. you should look at the geographic location of your ancestor, check the state archives, search on google for “native tribe illinois” and see what links might be there.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/illinois/index.htm
http://www.native-languages.org/illinois.htm

the choctaw in oklahoma were a southeastern tribe. they came to oklahoma by the trail of tears in the late 1830’s and this did not go through illinois. this suggests that your relation was probably not choctaw. there were many other unofficial migrations, but they usually occurred after the 1840’s and moved west through texas. i see that there were some chickasaw up in illinois on that map but i don’t know about that migration. perhaps the chickasaw tribe research center (link in this post) would know more about that.

there are other methods of finding information independent of the tribal rolls. there are trading post logs, government scrip land given in lieu of tribal affiliation, newspaper mentions of birth/death/obituary/marriage. you can access the newspapers through your local public library/interlibrary loan program. the government scrip land is through the bureau of land management and those records are at the NARA repository.
http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ try land patents. look at the authority of the land record – this is the key to tribal scrip. contact the BLM for understanding the land authority, if you find a record for your relative.

so then you have to do the genealogy on your relative, gather your documents. when you know more about her, you might be able to find information.

the date that you give is REAL general.

is this your edward?
1900 United States Federal Census
about Edward Cluckner
Name: Edward Cluckner
[Edward Clickner]
Home in 1900: Carlyle, Beadle, South Dakota
[Grant, Beadle, South Dakota]
Age: 24
Birth Date: Sep 1875
Birthplace: Michigan
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relationship to head-of-house: Servant
Father’s Birthplace: New York
Mother’s Birthplace: New York
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Artell H Palmer 62
Salie Palmer 43
Jennie M Palmer 4
Edward Cluckner 24
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Carlyle, Beadle, South Dakota; Roll: T623_1546; Page: 5B; Enumeration District: 14.

1910 United States Federal Census
about Edward C Clickner
Name: Edward C Clickner
[Edward B ??Chner]
Age in 1910: 35
Estimated Birth Year: 1875
Birthplace: Michigan
Relation to Head of House: Head
[Self (Head)]
Father’s Birth Place: New York
Mother’s Birth Place: New York
Spouse’s Name: Maud Clickner
Home in 1910: Burr Oak, Beadle, South Dakota
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward C Clickner 35
Maud Clickner 29
?? C Clickner 4
Evelyn E Clickner 3
Homer E Clickner 2
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Burr Oak, Beadle, South Dakota; Roll: T624_1476; Page: 6B; Enumeration District: 0021; Image: 552; FHL Number: 1375489.

1910 United States Federal Census
about Maud Clickner
Name: Maud Clickner
[Maud ??Chner]
Age in 1910: 29
Estimated Birth Year: 1881
Birthplace: Illinois
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Father’s Birth Place: Ohio
Mother’s Birth Place: Illinois
Spouse’s Name: Edward C Clickner
Home in 1910: Burr Oak, Beadle, South Dakota
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Female
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward C Clickner 35
Maud Clickner 29
?? C Clickner 4
Evelyn E Clickner 3
Homer E Clickner 2
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Burr Oak, Beadle, South Dakota; Roll: T624_1476; Page: 6B; Enumeration District: 0021; Image: 552; FHL Number: 1375489.

1920 United States Federal Census
about Maud M Clickner
Name: Maud M Clickner
Home in 1920: Nickerson, Pine, Minnesota
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Birthplace: Illinois
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse’s Name: Edward J Clickner
Father’s Birth Place: Ohio
Mother’s Birth Place: Illinois
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Female
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward J Clickner 45
Maud M Clickner 40
Cliford G Clickner 15
Evelyn E Clickner 14
Homer E Clickner 11
Nera B Clickner 9
Vivian I Clickner 8
Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Nickerson, Pine, Minnesota; Roll: T625_849; Page: 9B; Enumeration District: 69; Image: 728.

Name: Maude Clickner
Home in 1930: Pittsfield, Washtenaw, Michigan
View Map
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse’s Name: Ed J Clickner
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military Service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents’ birthplace:

View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Ed J Clickner 54
Maude Clickner 45
Clifford G Clickner 24
Evelyn A Clickner 23
Homer E Clickner 22
Vivian I Clickner 18
Maxine G Clickner 6
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Pittsfield, Washtenaw, Michigan; Roll: 1029; Page: 8B; Enumeration District: 32; Image: 1028.0.
edward is a painter, owns a house with a radio.

this might be your relative:
Social Security Death Index
about Edward Clickner
Name: Edward Clickner
SSN: 370-03-7277
Last Residence: 48197 Ypsilanti, Washtenaw, Michigan, United States of America
Born: 26 Sep 1874
Died: Jun 1968
State (Year) SSN issued: Michigan (Before 1951)

there are a few haskins or hoskins records that might be appropriate. since you have no other information about her, i cannot narrow this down.

i would suggest that you get a copy of her death certificate from the state vital records office, a copy of her obituary which might list parents, birthdate and location. maybe a copy of her social security application 1/1/1937 which would list pertinent information. she would have had to submit a delayed birth certificate or a birth certificate in order to show proof of age. you have to ask for both documents because they might be kept in different chronological order at the state vital records.

her marriage license would be helpful, fixing her family to a location and date.

more confusing:
there is another maude haskins/hoskins who married an albert ross hannum in beadle, so be careful of collecting documentation.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

helpful information about tribal enrollment
http://www.felihkatubbe.com/ChoctawNation/TribalMembership.html

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving your Choctaw Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents (application, census card and testimony) may help you find out more about your heritage.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes: http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society 22
Historic Preservation and
Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center 23
Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Scott Coleman Scott Coleman

posted on August 11, 2011

Thank you so much. You are the best. May God bless you in every way.

kristine Trybus kristine Trybus

posted on April 13

Scott,
I would be interested to hear if you ever found out which tribe your great grandmother was from. She was also my great grandmother.
I love knowing things like this about my family. I would really love to hear from you.
Kris