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I'm looking for my husband great great granfather TOBIAS WINSHIP

Sharlene Sharlene

posted on August 9, 2011

We are looking for any information on the Winship family. I am doing genelogy for my husband Isaac Winship III.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on August 9, 2011

no dates, no location, no children or spouse in your post. genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouse to match records.

it appears that there might be more than one person with this name.

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Christy Calvin 0 M 542 P
Choctaw Christy Harmon 12 M FULL 542 1186 EAGLETOWN BB
Choctaw Christy Amanda 15 F FULL 542 1185 EAGLETOWN BB
Choctaw Christy Charley 17 M FULL 542 1184 EAGLETOWN BB
Choctaw Goings John 0 M 542 P
Choctaw Meek Annie 0 F 542 P
Choctaw Meek Emily H 0 F 542 P
Choctaw Meek John T 0 M 542 P
Choctaw Meek William R 5 M 1/16 542 R
Choctaw Meek John H 26 M 1/8 542 R
Choctaw Tickabontana 0 F 542 P
Choctaw Winship Mary 0 F 542 P
Choctaw Winship Sarah 0 F 542 P
Choctaw Winship Tobias 0 M 542 P
Choctaw Winship Rafy 1 M 3/4 542 14566 EAGLETOWN BB
Choctaw Winship Tobias 3 M 3/4 542 1182 EAGLETOWN BB
Choctaw Winship Buddy 5 M 3/4 542 1181 EAGLETOWN BB
Choctaw Winship Mitchell 7 M 3/4 542 1183 EAGLETOWN BB
Choctaw Winship Andy 8 M 3/4 542 1180 EAGLETOWN BB
Choctaw Winship Virginia 10 F 3/4 542 1179 EAGLETOWN BB
Choctaw Winship Simeon 27 M 1/2 542 1177 EAGLETOWN BB
Choctaw Winship Mela 38 F FULL 542 1178 EAGLETOWN BB
p=parent
bb=by blood

Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Miashintubi Mary 0 F 493 P
Choctaw Noah Emma 0 F 493 P
Choctaw Noah Salana 0 F 493 P
Choctaw Noah Wilmon 0 M 493 P
Choctaw Noah Binsey 1 F 1/2 493 986 ALIKCHI BB
Choctaw Noah Lila 1 F 1/2 493 987 ALIKCHI BB
Choctaw Noah William 2 M 1/2 493 985 ALIKCHI BB
Choctaw Noah Sis 4 F 1/2 493 984 ALIKCHI BB
Choctaw Noah Emma 28 F 1/2 493 15974 ALIKCHI BB
Choctaw Noah Newman 28 M FULL 493 983 ALIKCHI BB
Choctaw Winship Tobias 0 M 493 P

Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Winship Mary 0 F 5635 P
Choctaw Winship Tobias 0 M 5635 P
Choctaw Winship Isaac 27 M 1/2 5635 NR ALIKCHI BB

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Winship Mary 0 F D134 P
Choctaw Winship Tobin 0 M D134 P
Choctaw Winship Isaac 24 M 1/2 D134 D
d=doubtful
this appears to be the same family as in the previous record. but if this is your family, you should ask for both applications, census card, testimony.

these are all the winship names on the dawes roll:
View Record Name Birth Year Gender Tribal Affiliation View Images
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Mela Winship abt 1861 Female Choctaw By Blood
View Record
Simeon Winship abt 1872 Male Choctaw By Blood
View Record
Sampson Winship abt 1873 Male Choctaw By Blood
View Record
Isaac Winship abt 1875 Male Choctaw By Blood
View Record
Seyon Winship abt 1882 Female Choctaw By Blood
View Record
Ennittie Winship abt 1884 Female Choctaw By Blood
View Record
Riley Winship abt 1888 Male Choctaw By Blood
View Record
Virginia Winship abt 1889 Female Choctaw By Blood
View Record
Stewart Winship abt 1889 Male Choctaw By Blood
View Record
Audy Winship abt 1891 Male Choctaw By Blood
View Record
Mitchell Winship abt 1892 Male Choctaw By Blood
View Record
Buddy Winship abt 1894 Male Choctaw By Blood
View Record
Tobias Winship abt 1896 Male Choctaw By Blood
View Record
Cornelius Winship abt 1900 Male Choctaw By Blood
View Record
Ena Winship abt 1901 Female Choctaw By Blood
View Record
Rafy Winship abt 1901 Male Choctaw By Blood
View Record
Lincoln Winship abt 1903 Male Choctaw New Born By Blood
View Record
Anderson Winship abt 1904 Male Choctaw New Born By Blood
View Record
John Winship abt 1904 Male Choctaw New Born By Blood
View Record
Ina Winship abt 1905 Female Choctaw Minor By Blood

this list came from ancestry.com, but you should look at the records through accessgenealogy and oklahoma historical society, links in this post.

generally, you do genealogy on your family, find them in the 1900-1930 census. the 1940 census will be available in 2012. you collect documents, such as birth certificate, marriage license. if you are having trouble finding records, and the person passed away after 1/1/1937, it is often helpful to get a copy of their social security application which will list parents, dates, locations.

i often start with the death and work backwards. you might get an obituary from the local public library/interlibrary loan program. you get a death certificate from the state vital records office. if the death is before 1930, you might find a record in the state archives. you might find a cemetery record at findagrave.com or interment.com. while the death record is not a primary record for birth, you can often find parents, birthdate and birthplace on it.

maybe this is one of your isaac winship census records:
1910 United States Federal Census
about Isaac Winship
Name: Isaac Winship
Age in 1910: 28
Estimated Birth Year: 1882
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Relation to Head of House: Head
[Self (Head)]
Father’s Birth Place: Oklahoma
Mother’s Birth Place: Oklahoma
Spouse’s Name: Lottie Winship
Home in 1910: Township 6, McCurtain, Oklahoma
Marital Status: Married
Race: Indian (Native American)
Gender: Male
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Isaac Winship 28
Lottie Winship 21
Ivy Winship 4
Eveelie Winship 2
Baby Winship 5/12
0
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Township 6, McCurtain, Oklahoma; Roll: T624_1261; Page: 4A; Enumeration District: 0188; Image: 1205; FHL Number: 1375274.

Name: Isaac Winship
[Issac Winship]
Home in 1920: Sulphur, McCurtain, Oklahoma
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
[Head]
Spouse’s Name: Loite Winship
Father’s Birth Place: Oklahoma
Mother’s Birth Place: Arkansas
Marital Status: Married
Race: Indian (Native American)
Sex: Male
Home owned: Own
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Isaac Winship 45
Loite Winship 32
Anderson Winship 15
Ina Winship 14
Flema Winship 11
Adoma Winship 9
Leo Winship 8
Leroy Winship 6
Boyd Winship 4
[4 2/12]
Lauie Winship 2
[2 11/12]
Son Winship 0
[3/12]
William Nash 22
Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Sulphur, McCurtain, Oklahoma; Roll: T625_1469; Page: 12A; Enumeration District: 149; Image: 278.

1930 United States Federal Census
about Isac Winship
Name: Isac Winship
[Isaac Winship]
Home in 1930: Sulphur, McCurtain, Oklahoma
View Map
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse’s Name: Lottie Winship
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military Service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents’ birthplace:

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Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Isac Winship 54
Lottie Winship 40
Leo Winship 18
Leroy Winship 16
Royd Winship 14
Leavie Winship 13
Bobbie Winship 10
Ike Winship 8
Sam Winship 5
Mary Winship 3
Edna Winship 20
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Sulphur, McCurtain, Oklahoma; Roll: 1913; Page: 10A; Enumeration District: 27; Image: 547.0.

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Isaac Winship
Name: Isaac Winship
County: McCurtain
State: Oklahoma
Birth Date: 13 Sep 1875
Race: Indian (Native American)
FHL Roll Number: 1851809
DraftBoard: 0

there is some mistranscription on this page. you can correct the ancestry.com name index so that others can find your family.

Name: Isaac Winship
Home in 1900: Township 2, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory
Age: 24
Birth Date: Sep 1875
Birthplace: Indian Territory, Oklahoma
Race: Indian (Native American)
Relationship to head-of-house: Head
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Isaac Winship 24
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Township 2, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory; Roll: T623_1852; Enumeration District: 109.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

helpful information about tribal enrollment
http://www.felihkatubbe.com/ChoctawNation/TribalMembership.html

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving your Choctaw Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents (application, census card and testimony) may help you find out more about your heritage.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes: http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society 22
Historic Preservation and
Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center 23
Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Richard Johnston Richard Johnston

posted on November 8, 2011

What do you need to know about the Winships? I’ve been researching them since 1986. The first Tobias Winship was married to Mary Labor about 1855. I believe Tobias’ surname was taken from Presbyterian missionaries David and Adeline Winship at the Stockbridge School near Eagletown, Ok.