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Looking for information on Harve Counsel Danner

Bryan Johnson Bryan Johnson

posted on August 7, 2011

I am looking for any information on my great grandfather and his parents. His name was Harve Counsel Danner married to Mary Gertrude Wofford. His parents were John Robert Danner, Mother Etta Rigsbee or Rigsby. They had 7 Children. Do not no all names. My grandmother is Emma Irene, Artie Eugene, Juanita Helen and Mildred. I am not sure of the others. Harve and his parents were believed that they might be Choctaw. We think John Danner was born around 1870 and died around 1943.

Thank You

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on August 7, 2011

john robert danner b.~1870 d.~1943 m. etta rigsby?
harvey? counsel? danner m. mary gertrude wofford
emma irene, artie eugene, juanita helen, mildred

genealogists use dates, locations, children and spouse to match records. there are very few dates and no locations in this post. there is no other information for emma irene either. this is a problem in searching for records because i don’t know WHERE to search for records.

you may want to get a copy of his death certificate from state vital records. maybe a copy of his obituary through interlibrary loan/your local public library. he would have applied for social security 1/1/1937 and filled out a social security application. he would have submitted a birth record to show proof of age, and this might be a birth certificate or delayed birth certificate. if you look for a birth record from a state vital records office, ask for both documents. a state archives might also have a copy of the birth record.

maybe this is your family?
1930 United States Federal Census
about Harve Danner
Name: Harve Danner
Home in 1930: Baron, Adair, Oklahoma
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Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Birthplace: Arkansas
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse’s Name: Gertrude Danner
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military Service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents’ birthplace:

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Household Members:
Name Age
Harve Danner 30
Gertrude Danner 26
Irene Danner 8
Alyene Danner 5
Eugene Danner 3
Harlan Danner 1
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Baron, Adair, Oklahoma; Roll: 1892; Page: 6B; Enumeration District: 2; Image: 40.0.
he’s a farm laborer, parents b. AR
gertrude was b. OK, mixed blood choctaw. (this is a heritage declaration, not a tribal membership)
harve was 19 and gertrude 15 when they married.

1920 United States Federal Census
about Harvy C Danner
Name: Harvy C Danner
[Harry C Donner]
Home in 1920: Roland, Sequoyah, Oklahoma
Age: 20
30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
[abt 1890]
Birthplace: Arkansas
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
[Head]
Spouse’s Name: Gurtrude M Danner
Father’s Birth Place: Missouri
Mother’s Birth Place: Arkansas
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Own
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Harvy C Danner 20
30
Gurtrude M Danner 17
Clarance E Danner 0
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Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Roland, Sequoyah, Oklahoma; Roll: T625_1488; Page: 7A; Enumeration District: 162; Image: 452.

California Death Index, 1940-1997
about Harve C Danner
Name: Harve C Danner
Social Security #: 446074712
Sex: Male
Birth Date: 8 Sep 1899
Birthplace: Arkansas
Death Date: 25 Jun 1991
Death Place: Fresno
http://www.cdph.ca.gov/certlic/birthdeathmar/pages/certifiedcopiesofbirthdeathrecords.aspx

California Department of Public Health Vital Records – MS 5103 P.O. Box 997410 Sacramento, CA 95899-7410

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California Department of Public Health Vital Records – MS 5103 1501 Capitol Avenue Sacramento, CA 95814

NOTE: Before submitting your application to CDPH Vital Records, please view our processing times to make sure they are acceptable for your needs. If not, you should submit your request to the County Recorder’s Office in the county where the birth or death took place.

Social Security Death Index
about Harve C. Danner
Name: Harve C. Danner
SSN: 446-07-4712
Born: 8 Sep 1899
Died: 25 Jun 1991
State (Year) SSN issued: Oklahoma (Before 1951)

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Harvey Camsel Danner
Name: Harvey Camsel Danner
County: Sequoyah
State: Oklahoma
Birth Date: 8 Sep 1899
Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1852127
DraftBoard: 0
nearest relative is john danner, harve? is a farmer. this card was signed 9/12/1918.

i haven’t found a single record for this john and etta danner. there could be a misspelling or initials. and this means nothing for harve? before 1918.

there’s some mary wofford records on the dawes roll but they are cherokee. i don’t know if any are your relative.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

helpful information about tribal enrollment
http://www.felihkatubbe.com/ChoctawNation/TribalMembership.html

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving your Choctaw Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents (application, census card and testimony) may help you find out more about your heritage.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes: http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society 22
Historic Preservation and
Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center 23
Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Media Shockley Media Shockley

posted on September 16, 2012 and updated on September 16, 2012

Bryan, John Robert is my great-grandfather also. His son Mose Christopher is my father’s father. I have been trying to trace our ancestry for years and came across your post. I have a son named after John Robert. Please e-mail me and we can help each other find our roots. My mother knows some of the names and I have some papers with names also. maddanner2000@yahoo.com I live in Garfield Arkansas and I also have a book about the Mays and Keith families and they have a cemetery in Maysville which is named after the family. Hope to hear from you soon.