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Michael Thompson Michael Thompson

posted on July 26, 2011

Hello,
I am creating my family tree and I have reached a dead end. My grandfathers grandmothers name was Hattie M Reed. My grandfather tells me she was full blooded Choctaw. She was born in 1855 and married Frank Thompson and had a child Claude Lee Thompson born 1893.

I would like to know more about Hattie M Reed is if anyone is related or has info. Thank you.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on July 28, 2011

there is no specific birthdate for claude lee thompson. no locations in this post. genealogists use dates, locations, children and spouse to match records.

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Claud Lee Thompson
Name: Claud Lee Thompson
County: Parker
State: Texas
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Birth Date: 15 Feb 1893
Race: American
FHL Roll Number: 1983577
DraftBoard: 0

1920 United States Federal Census
about Claude L Thompson
Name: Claude L Thompson
Home in 1920: Justice Precinct 3, Parker, Texas
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Birthplace: Texas
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
[Head]
Spouse’s Name: Gertrude Thompson
Father’s Birth Place: Texas
Mother’s Birth Place: Texas
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Rent
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Claude L Thompson 27
Gertrude Thompson 25
28
Frank Thompson 5
Maggie Thompson 0
[10/12]
Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Justice Precinct 3, Parker, Texas; Roll: T625_1838; Page: 9B; Enumeration District: 70; Image: 874.

1930 United States Federal Census
about Claud L Thompson
Name: Claud L Thompson
Home in 1930: Precinct 1, Parker, Texas
View Map
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse’s Name: Gertie Thompson
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military Service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents’ birthplace:

View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Claud L Thompson 37
Gertie Thompson 25
Frank J Thompson 15
Maggie Thompson 10
Hugh V Thompson 6
Maurice R Thompson 4 9/12
J C Thompson 1 9/12
Aline Thompson
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Precinct 1, Parker, Texas; Roll: 2383; Page: 1A; Enumeration District: 7; Image: 144.0.

Texas Death Index, 1903-2000
about Claude L. Thompson
Name: Claude L. Thompson
Death Date: 5 Mar 1943
Death County: Parker
Certificate: 14387

1910 United States Federal Census
about Claude Thompson
Name: Claude Thompson
Age in 1910: 17
Estimated Birth Year: 1893
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Relation to Head of House: Stepson
[Step Son]
Father’s Birth Place: Alabama
[Oklahoma]
Mother’s name: Hattie M Newsam
Mother’s Birth Place: Oklahoma
Home in 1910: Justice Precinct 8, Wise, Texas
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Male
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Wille Newsam 67
Hattie M Newsam 55
Claude Thompson 17
Beulah Thompson 15
Virgie M Thompson 7
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Justice Precinct 8, Wise, Texas; Roll: T624_1600; Page: 1B; Enumeration District: 0264; Image: 1183; FHL Number: 1375613.

1900 United States Federal Census
about Claud Tomson
Name: Claud Tomson
Home in 1900: Canadian, Cleveland, Oklahoma
Age: 5
Birth Date: Apr 1895
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relationship to head-of-house: Son
Father’s name: James Tomson
Father’s Birthplace: Virginia
Mother’s name: Bettie Tomson
Mother’s Birthplace: Tennessee
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James Tomson 34
Bettie Tomson 30
Willie Tomson 10
Claud Tomson 5
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Canadian, Cleveland, Oklahoma; Roll: T623_1336; Page: 8B; Enumeration District: 25.

this appears to be the most likely record.

but i’m not finding a record on the dawes roll.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
so they may not have applied for enrollment.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

helpful information about tribal enrollment
http://www.felihkatubbe.com/ChoctawNation/TribalMembership.html

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving your Choctaw Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents (application, census card and testimony) may help you find out more about your heritage.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes: http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society 22
Historic Preservation and
Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center 23
Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Michael Thompson Michael Thompson

posted on July 28, 2011

Wow. That is a lot of great info. Thank you very much!

Garland J. Walker Garland J. Walker

posted on August 26, 2011

Hello,

I am from a long line of Thompsons…Send me your e-mail to rangerwalker99_99@yahoo.com

Alison Alison

posted on July 20, 2013

Hi Michael,
I believe we are related, I am Charlie & Sandra’s granddaughter. I am working on our family tree as well & also run into a dead end at Hattie Reed. If you get this & have any info to share could you contact me at akattpurrs@msn.com ?
Thank you so much! Hope you are well!

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on July 20, 2013

usually there is genealogical information in these pension documents. they are available at NARA http://www.archives.gov

U.S., Confederate Pensions, 1884-1958 about Mrs Hattie Reynolds, Newsom
Name: Mrs Hattie Reynolds, Newsom
Application Date: 6 Jan 1938
Application Place: Parker
Birth Year: abt 1855
Age: 83
Spouse: William S Newsom
Marriage Date: 15 Jul 1900
Marriage Place: Pickens, Oklahoma
Spouse Death Date: Oct 1923
Pension File Number: 51836
Application Type: Widow

1900 United States Federal Census about William Newsom
Name: William Newsom
[William Newson]
Age: 62
Birth Date: 1838
Birthplace: Illinois
Home in 1900: Spanish Fort, Montague, Texas
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Widowed
Father’s Birthplace: Illinois
Mother’s Birthplace: Illinois
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Newsom 62
Tom Newsom 22
Ollie Newsom 11
Steve Newsom 9
Bob Newsom 17
Dock Newsom 15
Ella Harington 25
Ida Clark 6
William Clark 4
Geo Clark 3
Frank Harington 2/12
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Spanish Fort, Montague, Texas; Roll: 1660; Page: 11B; Enumeration District: 0056; FHL microfilm: 1241660.

CHICKASAW NATION MARRIAGES
ARDMORE COURTHOUSE

GROOM INDEX
1895 – 1907

Transcribed by MARY TURNER KINARD
COPYRIGHT 27 APR 1992 Mary Kinard

N SURNAMES

BOOKS ROLL # A APR 1895©MAR 1896 # 469 B MAR 1896©MAR 1897 # 469 & 470 C MAR 1897©DEC 1898 # 470 D DEC 1898©JUN 1900 # 471 E JUN 1900©SEP 1901 # 471 F SEP 1901©NOV 1902 # 472 G NOV 1902©DEC 1903 # 472 & 473 H DEC 1903©JAN 1905 # 473 I NOV 1905©DEC 1905 # 474 J DEC 1905©DEC 1906 # 474 K 1907

THIS AREA COVERS COUNTIES OF McCLAIN, GARVIN, CARTER, STEPHENS,
GRADY, JEFFERSON, LOVE, MURRAY, PONTOTOC, JOHNSTON & MARSHALL.

CODES C COLORED NR NO RETURN UN NOT USED X INDEX

GROOM AGE BRIDE AGE DATE RESIDENCE BOOK©PAGE
NEWSOM, W M 55 THOMPSON, HATTIE 28 28 JUL 1900 TX,SPANISH FORB/GRADY E©50

this record is a chickasaw marriage.
so you should see if the chickasaw tribe has any other information.

To order copy of license send to:

Carter County Court Clerk
P.O. Box 37
Ardmore, OK 73402

$1.00 per copy when book and page are know
$1.50 for certified copy when book and page are known
Please send self addressed stamped envelope
Best to send money order or cashier’s check.
be SURE to check about the price first.

Alison Alison

posted on November 1, 2013

“GROOM AGE BRIDE AGE DATE RESIDENCE BOOK©PAGE
NEWSOM, W M 55 THOMPSON, HATTIE 28 28 JUL 1900 TX,SPANISH FORB/GRADY E©50”

This may be her, thank you VERY much Suzanne!!!

rayson allen rayson allen

posted on November 3, 2013 and updated on November 3, 2013

CIVIL WAR SERVICE RECORD; WILLIAM S NEWSOM
(From Fold3.com)

Enlisted 1860 Confederate States, served with Captain Joe Ward’s Texas Rangers, mainly in the Indian Wars in Texas.

Enlisted in Confederate Army 10-23-1861 at Houston, TX. Listed home as Virginia Point, TX
Served as Private, Company E, 10th Texas Infantry Volunteers Discharged 7-1-1862 at Cherokee, TX

Applied for pension from State of Texas on 4-30-1917, Application # 12065. Received pension under File # 51836.Issued as File # 11-297 in Grayson Co. TX. William S. Newsom died October 1923 in Grayson Co. Texas

WIDOW’S PENSION – MRS HATTIE REYNOLDS,(NEWSOM)
(From ancestry.com) Testimony as follows:
Widow of William S Newsom, whom she married 7-18-1900 in Pickens Co, Oklahoma. They were residents of Texas since 1882. After his death, she remarried to B. F. Reynolds on 9-27-1924 in Parker Co, Texas. By 1938 he was also deceased. Application for widow’s pension made by Hattie Reynolds Newsom on 1-6-1938 Weatherford, Parker, Texas. She was born 1-16-1853 Oklahoma (Chickasaw Nation, Indian Territory) Granted pension in Parker Co, TX in 1938, File # 39-552.

rayson allen rayson allen

posted on November 3, 2013 and updated on November 3, 2013

1910 United States Federal Census about Will S Newsam
Name: Will S Newsam
[Willis Newsam]
[Will S Newsom]
Age in 1910: 67
Birth Year: abt 1843
Birthplace: Illinois
Home in 1910: Justice Precinct 8, Wise, Texas
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: Hattie M Newsam
Father’s Birthplace: Illinois
Mother’s Birthplace: United States
Household Members:
Name Age
Will S Newsam 67
Hattie M Newsam 55
Claude Thompson 17
Beulah Thompson 15
Virgie M Thompson 7

rayson allen rayson allen

posted on November 3, 2013

1920 United States Federal Census about W S Newsom
Name: W S Newsom
[W S Newson]
Age: 81
Birth Year: abt 1839
Birthplace: Illinois
Home in 1920: Weatherford Ward 1, Parker, Texas
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse’s Name: Hallie Newsom
Father’s Birthplace: Illinois
Mother’s Birthplace: Illinois
Home Owned: Rent
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: No
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
W S Newsom 81
Hallie Newsom 75
Virgie Newsom 18
Bula Thomson 22

Judy Poynor Judy Poynor

posted on July 7

Michael,
I think that we might be related. I am related to Claude Lee Thompson. I am also running into a dead end with Hattie Reed. I never found out who her first husband was until I read your post. Willie Newsam was her second husband. Of the information I have, the second marriage, I believe they had a girl named Virgie. The first marriage, the one between Frank Thompson and Hattie Reed. Of what I understand they had two children. My great-grandfather and a girl named Beulah. I am trying to find more about Frank Thompson and Hattie Reed. All I am coming up with is dead ends. If you have any information that you can share please email me at judy_poynor@yahoo.com.

Judy Poynor Judy Poynor

posted on July 8

I am trying to find more information about the Thompson line. I am the great granddaughter to Claude Lee Thompson (2/15/1893-3/5/1943). All I know about his parents is the names and an estimated year for his mother’s birth. Claude Lee’s parents are Hattie Reed (1855) and Frank Thompson. I would appreciate any help whatsoever. The information that is already provided, I already know. I know that Claude Lee Thompson married Gertrude Bell Stultz and had 9 children, my grandmother being one of them.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on July 8

have you attempted to get the underlying records? rayson and i gave you information about names in index records. they are not the underlying records. you have to pursue those.

try the widow’s pension records at NARA http://www.archives.gov
the military pension records were often completed by attorneys and they often contain much genealogical information.

try to find a newspaper item about the marriage, either in the location of the marriage or in the bride’s location. this might give you parents’ names.

do you have a death certificate for hattie? this might also give you parents’ names. is there a cemetery record for hattie’s parents in the cemetery where she was buried? is she buried with one of her husbands?

do you have an obituary for hattie? try your local public library/interlibrary loan program for that. state historical society and state archives also have historical newspapers.

you might have found an index of your relative, but you have to pursue the underlying records yourself. many vital records are not online.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Judy Poynor Judy Poynor

posted on July 9

It’s NOT Hattie that I am wanting to know more of!!!!! It is the male Thompson that I want to know more of!!! The father of Claude Lee Thompson, Frank Thompson, that I want to know more of. I alreay know all the info that I want to know for now for Hattie Reed Thompson. When I want to know more about her then I will look her up. All I really want to know is about Frank Thompson. Any info you got on him, I’ll be happy.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on July 9

i have no records. i don’t know why you think i have records of your family. i can only tell you what kind of information that you can get.

childrens’ records point to the parents, fix the family to a date and location.

one family tree says that:
Claude Lee Thompson
Birth February 15, 1893 in OK

D Frank Thompson
Birth 1865
Death 1902

i do not know if this is the marriage document. this person who has this family tree says that the record is here:
Texas, Marriage Collection, 1814-1909 and 1966-2011 about D. T. Thompson
Name: D. T. Thompson
Marriage Date: 3 May 1882
Marriage Place: Wise, Texas, USA
Spouse: Miss E. W. Woods
Source: Texas Marriages, 1814-1909

i notice that miss e. w. woods would have to be hattie. i am not convinced that this is a match for your relative.

another family tree has this information:
Claude Lee Thompson
Birth 15 Feb 1893 in Durant, Bryan, Oklahoma
Death 5 Mar 1943 in Weatherford, Parker, Texas

the significance of this is that claude lee thompson would have had to file a delayed birth certificate with state vital records in order to show proof of age when social security came into effect. this delayed birth certificate would show the father’s name and the mother’s name and the birthdate and birthplace and probably members of his family would have signed affidavits to say that this was true.

maybe claude’s social security application would also help you. use a form SS-5 to get a copy of that.

claude’s obituary might help you. claude’s death certificate might help you. claude’s cemetery record might help you. have you contacted the cemetery?
Burial
1943
Mar
Weatherford, Parker, Texas
East Greenwood Cemetery - Find A Grave Memorial# 44496329
white’s funeral home in weatherford, TX handled the funeral.
his death certificate says that hattie reed was his mother and frank thompson was his father. his wife gave information.

hattie’s obituary might help you. hattie’s cemetery record might help you. have you contacted this cemetery?

if you want information, you should say what documents that you have in your possession, what they say.

another family tree has a picture and says this about her husband:
Stephen William Newsom
Birth 1844 in Adams, Illinois, United States
Death 1900 in Callisburg, Cooke, Texas, United States

it appears to me that stephen william newsom did not pass away in 1900, but you would have to contact the owner of this family tree to find the evidence that he died in texas in 1900. i do not have evidence for your family tree.

since the marriage was supposed to take place in july 1900, then there might be some record of this marriage.
you should get a copy of the marriage document and look for any newspaper mention of this marriage.

there is an 1860 indian territory census. you should look for her to see if she is there.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/choctaw-indian-research.htm
if she is not in the 1860-1880 census in arkansas territory/indian territory, maybe she is in texas.
the reason you look for her is to try to find him.

contact all the people who have her in their family tree and ask them what documents they have.

i do not know where the 1900 census record is.
is she here? Spanish Fort, Montague, Texas

have you looked for the childrens’ names in 1900 census?

1900 United States Federal Census about William Newsom
Name: William Newsom
[William Newson]
Age: 62
Birth Date: 1838
Birthplace: Illinois
Home in 1900: Spanish Fort, Montague, Texas
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Widowed
Father’s Birthplace: Illinois
Mother’s Birthplace: Illinois
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Newsom 62
Tom Newsom 22
Ollie Newsom 11
Steve Newsom 9
Bob Newsom 17
Dock Newsom 15
Ella Harington 25
Ida Clark 6
William Clark 4
Geo Clark 3
Frank Harington 2/12

somehow, hattie and newsom had to meet and marry.

i do not know if you think hattie or thompson were native.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Judy Poynor Judy Poynor

posted on July 9

I know that Hattie is or was a native american. I have something from my grandmother that tells me that she had married to an older man to whom she was just a slave to. The old man drowned and Hattie ran off. She then married a man with the last name of Thompson, whom I’m just guessing that is Frank. They had at least two children between them,my great grandfather being one of them.
I know that my grandmother wouldn’t lie to her kids or her grandchildren. If you don’t think or don’t know if you can honestly help me trace what little information that I had gotten from the post from Michael Thompson then tell me right now and I’ll hit this challenge by myself.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on July 9

i have been trying to help you.
i don’t think i can help you any more because i gave you my best links/strategy.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Judy Poynor Judy Poynor

posted on July 10

I am looking for some FREE genealogy websites. Any ideas?