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Matt Akers Matt Akers

posted on July 25, 2011

Im trying to find the desendents of john sumpter who was married to amanda lohmer. My grandmas name was florance harp if that helps. sorry dont know her maidan name. After my mom passed away i got a phone call from some one that invited me to the sumpter family reunion. Oh and my moms name was christina ruth harp akers if it helps any. thank you

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on July 25, 2011

john sumpter m. amanda lohmer
florence sumpter m. ? harp

no dates, no location on this post. genealogists use names, locations, children and spouse to match records. i am not sure if florence was the daughter of john sumpter and amanda lohmer or not.

i often start with the death and work backwards in time. do you have an obituary? you might get that from your local public library/interlibrary loan program. do you have a death certificate for anyone? that would give dates, location, possibly parents. how about a cemetery record?

if you are stuck on someone who passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably filed an application for social security. they would have had to show proof of age with a birth record, maybe a birth certificate or a delayed birth certificate. the application would have had locations and exact dates.

is this your relative?
1900 United States Federal Census
about John Sumlater
Name: John Sumlater
[John Sumpter]
Home in 1900: St Louis Ward 4, St Louis (Independent City), Missouri
[St. Louis, St. Louis, Missouri]
Age: 39
Birth Date: Jun 1860
Birthplace: Mississippi
Race: Black
Gender: Male
Relationship to head-of-house: Head
Father’s Birthplace: Mississippi
Mother’s Birthplace: Mississippi
Spouse’s Name: Amanda Sumlater
Marriage year: 1884
Marital Status: Married
Years married: 16
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Sumlater 39
Amanda Sumlater 45
Rose Sumlater 13
Cuffie Sumlater 11
Sallie Jones 27
George Wilson 25
Richard Singleton 20
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: St Louis Ward 4, St Louis (Independent City), Missouri; Roll: T623_890; Page: 16B; Enumeration District: 66.

there’s another john and amanda possibility:
1900 United States Federal Census
about John B Sumpter
Name: John B Sumpter
Home in 1900: Lone Pine, Whitman, Washington
[Tekoa, Whitman, Washington]
Age: 45
Birth Date: Feb 1855
Birthplace: Oregon
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relationship to head-of-house: Head
Father’s Birthplace: Tennessee
Mother’s Birthplace: Missouri
Spouse’s Name: Amanda Sumpter
Marriage year: 1887
Marital Status: Married
Years married: 13
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John B Sumpter 45
Amanda Sumpter 52
Lester C Sumpter 18
Pearl I Sumpter 12
Myrtle L Sumpter 11
Grace E Sumpter 6
Anna Irving 28
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Lone Pine, Whitman, Washington; Roll: T623_1754; Page: 14A; Enumeration District: 103.

Name: John Sumpter
Age in 1910: 31
Estimated Birth Year: 1879
Birthplace: Oklahoma
[Oklahoma Territory]
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father’s Birth Place: Oklahoma
[Oklahoma Territory]
Mother’s Birth Place: Oklahoma
[Oklahoma Territory]
Spouse’s Name: Amanda Sumpter
Home in 1910: St Francis, Phillips, Arkansas
Marital Status: Married
Race: Black
Gender: Male
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Sumpter 31
Amanda Sumpter 17
Mary Sumpter 1
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: St Francis, Phillips, Arkansas; Roll: T624_60; Page: 39B; Enumeration District: 0125; Image: 631; FHL Number: 1374073.

this record looks most likely, since there is a daughter florence:
1910 United States Federal Census
about John Sumpter
Name: John Sumpter
Age in 1910: 24
Estimated Birth Year: 1886
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Relation to Head of House: Head
[Self (Head)]
Father’s Birth Place: Indiana
Mother’s Birth Place: Oklahoma
Spouse’s Name: Amanda Sumpter
Home in 1910: Pauls Valley Ward 4, Garvin, Oklahoma
Marital Status: Married
Race: Indian (Native American)
Gender: Male
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Sumpter 24
Amanda Sumpter 23
Florence Sumpter 3
Alice Sumpter 1
James Sumpter 19
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Pauls Valley Ward 4, Garvin, Oklahoma; Roll: T624_1252; Page: 16A; Enumeration District: 0081; Image: 413; FHL Number: 1375265.

Name: John Sumpter
Home in 1920: Pauls Valley, Garvin, Oklahoma
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
[Head]
Spouse’s Name: Amanda Sumpter
Father’s Birth Place: Oklahoma
Mother’s Birth Place: Oklahoma
Marital Status: Married
Race: Indian (Native American)
Sex: Male
Home owned: Own
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Sumpter 35
Amanda Sumpter 32
Florence Sumpter 13
Cleo Sumpter 7
Theo Sumpter 7
John Sumpter 4
[4 11/12]
Nancy Sumpter 3
[3 2/12]
Tecumseh Sumpter 0
[5/12]
Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Pauls Valley, Garvin, Oklahoma; Roll: T625_1464; Page: 16A; Enumeration District: 34; Image: 414.

this might be john sumpter’s family on the dawes roll 1896-1906. but i can’t be certain.
Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Gibson Isaac 0 M 234 P
Choctaw Gibson Lucinda 0 F 234 P
Choctaw Sumpter 0 F 234 P
Choctaw Sumpter E D 0 M 234 P
Choctaw Sumpter Dixon D 1 M 1/2 234 15649 PAOLI BB
Choctaw Sumpter Scott Taylor 4 M 1/2 234 15648 PAOLI BB
Choctaw Sumpter Jim Andy 7 M 1/2 234 15647 PAOLI BB
Choctaw Sumpter Amanda Isabella 10 F 1/2 234 15646 PAOLI BB
Choctaw Sumpter John 15 M 1/2 234 15645 PAOLI BB
Choctaw Sumpter Nancy 37 F FULL 234 NR PAOLI BB
Choctaw Sumpter Javob D 42 M IW 234 IW1469 PAOLI BB
bb=by blood
p=parent
iw=intermarried white, a general nontribal description
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about John Sumpter
Name: John Sumpter
County: Garvin
State: Oklahoma
Birth Date: 1 Sep 1884
Race: Indian (Native American)
FHL Roll Number: 1851777
DraftBoard: 0

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

helpful information about tribal enrollment
http://www.felihkatubbe.com/ChoctawNation/TribalMembership.html

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving your Choctaw Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents (application, census card and testimony) may help you find out more about your heritage.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes: http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society 22
Historic Preservation and
Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center 23
Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto