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Billy (William) Baker/Mollie Baker/Ella Baker

Tiffany Tiffany

posted on July 13, 2011

Im looking for information on the Baker side of my Family.

Billy Baker is my 3-g granddad. I do not have his birth date but i know he died June 8th 1898 he was aprox 74 yrs old. He was married three times that i know of. I do not know the name of his frist wife but i know he had one son by her named Thompson Baker who was a Choctaw Indian preacher.

Billy then married a woman named either Lucy or Lauren. He had three children Oscar, Annie and Sillie.

Thompson conducted the marrige ceremony between Billy and my 3g-grandmother Mollie (Winton/Tubbs) in Sept. of 1895. They had one daughter Ella Baker. Mollie died August 27th 1926. Mollie claimed to have Cherokee blood from the Tubbs side of her family. Her parents are listed as Jim and Scoot Tubbs.

Ella was born May 22nd 1898 and died July 17th 1926. Annie King is the midwife listed on her affidavit of birth.

Mollie’s roll # IW1241
Ella’s roll # 15759

I would like to know more about Billy and his other children. Any and all infromation is welcom.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on July 13, 2011

do you have a copy of the enrollment application, census card, and testimony.

Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Baker Billy 0 M 5867 P
Choctaw Baker Ella 4 F 1/2 5867 NR HARTSHORNE BB
Choctaw Baker Mollie 31 F IW 5867 NR HARTSHORNE BB
Choctaw Tubbs Jim 0 M 5867 P
Choctaw Tubbs Scott 0 F 5867 P
p-parent
bb=by blood
iw=intermarried white, a general nontribal description

Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Baker Billy 0 M D656 P
Choctaw Baker Ella 3 F 1/2 D656 D
Choctaw Baker Mollie 30 F IW D656 D
Choctaw Tubbs Jim 0 M D656 P
Choctaw Tubbs Scot 0 F D656 P
this appears to be an earlier application, listed as doubtful. so the tribe had some questions that must have been resolved in the first application i posted.

you might find more information in the childrens’ dawes file:
Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw David 0 M 3037 P
Choctaw Baker William 0 M 3037 P
Choctaw Baker Mary 1 F FULL 3037 NR LEFLON BB
Choctaw Baker Mattie 4 F FULL 3037 NR LEFLON BB
Choctaw Baker Noel 6 M FULL 3037 NR LEFLON BB
Choctaw Baker Lucy 35 F FULL 3037 NR LEFLON BB
Choctaw Baker Thompson 54 M FULL 3037 NR LEFLON BB
Choctaw David Viney 15 F FULL 3037 NR LEFLON BB
Choctaw Elatema 0 F 3037 P
Choctaw Isaac Amy 0 F 3037 P
Choctaw Isaac Pusley 0 M 3037 P
Choctaw Isaac Lela 11 F FULL 3037 NR LEFLON BB
Choctaw Isaac William 13 M FULL 3037 NR LEFLON BB
Choctaw Noatimbe 0 M 3037 P

Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Baker William 0 M 3038 P
Choctaw Baker Oscar 19 M FULL 3038 NR LEFLON BB
Choctaw Jones Loren 0 F 3038 P

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
you can put in a partial name.
click on the # in the card column to see the family group.

you can search on the oklahoma historical society website to see if they were enrolled, what their enrollment # is.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php

you can see that billy baker’s records are also under william baker.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

helpful information about tribal enrollment
http://www.felihkatubbe.com/ChoctawNation/TribalMembership.html

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving your Choctaw Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents (application, census card and testimony) may help you find out more about your heritage.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes: http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society 22
Historic Preservation and
Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center 23
Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

adam719 adam719

posted on July 20, 2011

I have a relative named Billy Baker who left mississippi for Indian territory (Oklahoma) around 1891. He died around 1897. He was married twice in Mississippi. His second wife was named Lucy. They had a son, Oscar Baker, born around 1876. They also had a daughter, Julia Baker. Julia Baker remained in Mississippi. Julia Baker is my 3g-grandmother.