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Dora Dora

posted on June 30, 2011 and updated on June 30, 2011

My grandmother, born Audria A. Richards (or Richardson), was born 16Apr1911 and Died 10June1994. Her grandfather was known as Big Soldier or Black Soldier. The information is a bit sketchy. I am hoping someone can give me some info on him and his children. I have been told he was a Black/Choctaw or Cherokee. I was also told that Gr Gr grandfather jumped up the Kiamichi bridge in 1914.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on July 4, 2011

my puter network is down so i am on a borrowed connection. i am copying in information that i usually give people but i cannot research your family. i can tell you where and how to access resources.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving your Choctaw Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents (application, census card and testimony) may help you find out more about your heritage.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes: http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society 22
Historic Preservation and
Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center 23
Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on July 6, 2011

Audria A. Richards (or Richardson), was born 16Apr1911 and Died 10June1994

but no information about where she lived, her spouse and childrens’ names. not sure if richards or richardson is her married name.

there are too many possibilities.

Dora Dora

posted on July 6, 2011

Her married name was Shannon. She had 8 children. Lonnie Jr, Edward, Vernon, Billy, Tony, Annabelle, Lorene and Audrie. She and her married family lived in Beckham County, Oklahoma. Her mother’s name was Richards (or Richardson). Do not know her first name.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on July 6, 2011

so this must be her:
Social Security Death Index
about Audria A. Shannon
Name: Audria A. Shannon
SSN: 445-52-4706
Last Residence: 73662 Sayre, Beckham, Oklahoma, United States of America
Born: 23 Apr 1911
Died: 10 Jun 1994
State (Year) SSN issued: Oklahoma (1966)

i couldn’t find her on findagrave.com. sometimes obits are posted there. if you have a picture, know where she was buried, or more details like an obit, you might consider putting it on findagrave.

you might be able to get an obituary through your local public library/interlibrary loan program. this death might be recent enough so that you might be able to find an obituary online too. and historical newspapers might have a birth announcement, a marriage announcement.

her mother’s name was richards/richardson? is this is married name? do you have a death certificate? this document might have the name of the father and mother’s maiden name.

the problem, as i see it, is you don’t have a particular birth location, you don’t have the name of her parents. you are not sure of her maiden name.

i have just looked at the 1920 and 1930 census and don’t see her. this might be caused by the absence of information in your post.

Shannon, Lonnie A., b.25 Feb 1896 d.1 Dec 1974
Shannon, Audria A., b.16 Apr 1911 d.10 Jun 1994
buried at the lone oak cemetery, beckham, OK
http://files.usgwarchives.net/ok/beckham/cemeteries/loneoakn.txt
you might want to search the rootsweb beckham OK webproject, email list for surname and location and tribe.
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/
when you find out information, you might also want to enter a worldconnect record for your family so that others can find information. also it helps to contact cousins for sources.

since i still have no information about WHERE she was born. where were the children born? do you have a birth certificate from one of them?