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Chelsea Lewis Chelsea Lewis

posted on June 22, 2011

I’m looking for information pertaining to my grandfathers family. Unfortunately my grandparents died before I was born so I’m working off of a few documents. I’m wondering if anyone has any information on any of the above listed names.

My grandfather was: Kliffton Everett Black
His Parents were F.C. Black and Ada Cloneger

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on June 22, 2011

this is an unusual spelling of clifton.
no dates, no location in your post.
only initials for f. c. black.
it might help if you told which documents you were looking at.

Texas Birth Index, 1903-1997
about Kliffton Maxilan Black
Name: Kliffton Maxilan Black
Date of Birth: 22 Apr 1952
Gender: Male
Birth County: Dallas
Father’s name: Clifton Everett Black
Mother’s name: Doris Manley
Roll Number: 1952_0002

Name: Kliffton M Black
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 1 Feb 1974
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1953
Age: 21

Spouse: Molly K Richards
Spouse Gender: Female
Spouse Est Birth Year: abt 1954
Spouse Age: 20

Marriage County: Dallas
Marriage State: Texas

Source: Texas Marriage Index, 1966-2002

Name: Clifford Black
Home in 1930: Precinct 7, Dallas, Texas
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Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1919
Relation to Head of House: Son
Father’s name: F C Black
Mother’s name: Addie Black
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military Service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents’ birthplace:

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Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
F C Black 53
Addie Black 49
William Black 19
Annie Black 24
Forest Black 16
Clifford Black 11
Everett Black 8
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Precinct 7, Dallas, Texas; Roll: 2322; Page: 50B; Enumeration District: 135; Image: 905.0.

address 11155 first street
f. c. black, head, rents a house, white male, age 52?, first married at age 23?, b. texas, father b. arkansas, mother b. tennessee, laborer, general work
addie, wife, white female, age 49, first married at age 18, b. arkansas, father b. IL, mother b. MS
william, son, white male, age 19, single, b. TX, concrete work laborer
annie, daughter, white female, age 24, single, b. TX
forest, son, white male, age 16, single, b. OK
clifford, son, white male, age 11, single, b. TX
everett, son, white male, age 8, single, b. TX

Name: Clifford Black
Home in 1920: Justice Precinct 7, Dallas, Texas
Age: 2
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Estimated Birth Year: abt 1918
[abt 1917]
Birthplace: Texas
Relation to Head of House: Son
Father’s name: Forest Black
Father’s Birth Place: Texas
Mother’s name: Adie Black
Mother’s Birth Place: Arkansas
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Sex: Male
Able to read: No
Able to Write: No
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Household Members:
Name Age
Forest Black 42
Adie Black 38
Marchie Black 16
Annie E Black 14
Kennie Black 11
William Black 9
Eula Black 7
Forest Black 6
Clifford Black 2
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Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Justice Precinct 7, Dallas, Texas; Roll: T625_1794; Page: 17A; Enumeration District: 106; Image: 420.

Name: Forrest C. Black
Death Date: 18 Dec 1943
Death County: Dallas
Certificate: 54701

Name: Forrest Cook Black
County: Dallas
State: Texas
Birth Date: 26 Feb 1877
Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1953183
DraftBoard: 1

Name: F C Black
Home in 1900: Justice Precinct 8, Lamar, Texas
[Lamar, Texas]
Age: 23
Birth Date: Feb 1877
Birthplace: Texas
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relationship to head-of-house: Son-in-Law
Father’s Birthplace: Arkansas
Mother’s Birthplace: Arkansas
Spouse’s Name: R M Black
Marriage year: 1898
Marital Status: Married
Years married: 2
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Merian Sadler 43
M A Sadler 40
R M Black 21
F C Black 23
Martha Black 1/12
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Justice Precinct 8, Lamar, Texas; Roll: T623_1653; Page: 3B; Enumeration District: 87.

couldn’t find them in 1910.

nonetheless, there is no forest black or ada clonenger on the dawes roll. maybe you should look at the mississippi choctaw or the texas tribes, links in this post.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes: http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society 22
Historic Preservation and
Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center 23
Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Justin H Justin H

posted on May 4, 2012

Hi Chelsea,
I think we may be able to help each other. I am your cousin. I am a grandson of Annie Black who later became Annie House. She died in 1993 or 94 and is buried in Dallas,Tx at Restland Cemetary of of Geenville Ave. As a young boy, I was one of her pawbearers. Her father, Forrest Black Jr., I believe is buried in Mesquite, Tx, though I haven’t been able to find out where. My sister has photographs of an adult Forrest Black Jr., and an even earlier photo of his parents Forrest Black Sr.(Soldier/Scottish decent) and a native woman who was given the name of either Margret Elizabeth or Elizabeth Margret. Also, my aunt (Annie Black’s daughter)was named after her aunt’s(Forrest Black Jr.‘s sisters) Eula and Dale, giving her the name Eula Dale House(maiden).
I imagine we have come here looking for the same thing, having been told we are part cherokee and choctaw. I haven’t been able to get much further than that on the native side other than an oral folktale of us being decendants of Chief Standing Bear, who quite resembles my father. My sister has history on the Black’s going back a little further tracing to thier arrival in America.
I hope this info helps you.
Justin House
justinhouse7@hotmail.com

Justin H Justin H

posted on May 4, 2012

My father also taught me that our name prior to the europeans changing her name to that of Mary Elizebeth, was “Blackhawk”. It is written in our archives that Forrest Black Sr. founded the town of Natural Damn, Arkansas. It seems to me like Forrest Black Sr. was a soldier who married a native woman and produced us somewhere along the way.

Justin H Justin H

posted on May 4, 2012

Correction! Forrest Black’s father’s name was William Powell Black. So. Let’s go back from Clifford. Then Forrest Cook Black, Then William Powell Black, Then James Black, Then another William Black and so on going back to 1600’s Scotland. My sister will have everything up on ancestry.com soon and I will send the link.

Joy C Joy C

posted on October 4, 2013

Hi, I’m the sister that Justin H spoke about. Well, there is quite a bit on the “Black” line; but not much on the female line. However, I still need to find out some things. Look me up on ancestry and send a message. (mom26athome) Or email me mom2home@hotmail.com
BTW: Forrest Black IS on the census for Oklahoma Territory . I’ve not seen it listed on line, but I made a copy many years ago from the film at the Dallas Library.
A lot of people from this line; who don’t even really know each other; have all heard the same thing about being in the Choctaw line. Still searching, please let me know if you find anything.
thanks for the info all.

Janet Kaskie (maiden-Black) Janet Kaskie (maiden-Black)

posted on April 19

I am Janet Eyvonne (black) Kaskie. the youngest of 3 from Clifton Black & Doris (Manley) black. I was born in Dallas Texas in 1959. here is the info I have on My father: Clifton Everett Black
born in 1919(?)to Forrest Cook(?)Black Possibly of scottage decent& possible founder of Natural Damn Ark. and Margret Elizabeth or Elizabeth Margret,( her oral tradition passed down is native name Blackhawk possibly Choctaw and daughter of Chief Standing Bear)
Older sister ;Annie House (Black), her known descendants: Eula Dale house (daughter)Justin House & Joy C. (grandchildren?)
Older sister Eula (lived in irving Tx. Buried at restland cemetery Dallas Tx.)Her son Kenneth single at the time of death.Also buried at restland ?
brother: Forrest (nick-named Short) Black married to Hazel Black
if you have any info Please let me know.. He said that his dad left his mother after she had a stroke. Dad didn’t talk about His past much . I do know he was in WW 2.If you have any info please contact me @ jekaskie@yahoo.com or on facebook under janet kaskie

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on April 19

janet posted on the choctaw discussion messageboard and i posted about this family on that messageboard.