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Cathey McKinney/Hunsucker Cathey McKinney/Hunsucker

posted on June 21, 2011

Thank you for answering back .Here is what her obituary says. Emily miller Thompson was born Jan.14th 1898 in hontubby district of Indian territory to sissie Jefferson Miller who was the daughter of Henry and sarah Jefferson. He was a prominent member of Chocraw Tribe. It does not say who sissie was married to accept for last name Miller. I dont know if grandma mother name was something else but sissie is all it says. My grandmother went to the Jones academy school in Hartshorne. She was married before thompson to Hunsucker who is my dads father Marion Hunsucker. Miller is her maden name. He was listed as the number one citizen on the 1896 Choctaw census of sugarloaf county.I found some roll no. but not sure who sissie jefferson Miller was married to .Thank you for all your help.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on June 22, 2011

henry miller m. sarah jefferson
sissie jefferson miller m1. ? miller
emily miller 14 Jan 1898 m1. marion hunsucker m2. ? thompson

still no dates or location in this post. if you review the post, you might see that you have used pronouns, but i am only guessing which person those pronouns refer to.

these are common names, so i am copying some records but i don’t know if they relate to your family.

Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Davis Sima 0 F MCR4787 P
Choctaw Davis William M 0 M MCR4787 P
Choctaw Miller James H 0 M MCR4787 P
Choctaw Miller Emily 3 F 1/32 MCR4787 MCR
Choctaw Miller Irene V 28 F 1/16 MCR4787 MCR
p=parent
MCR=mississippi choctaw refused. mississippi choctaw is a separate tribe, links in this post.

i do not see any sissie miller on the dawes roll. the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so certainly emily and sissie should be on the dawes roll in the same family. card#=family #.

i have looked through the 1900 census and i can find no emily miller born 1896-1900 with a father named henry and none with a mother named sissie.

do you have her birth certificate or delayed birth certificate? do you have her marriage licenses? how about her death certificate? the vital records would usually be found at the state vital records office where the event happened. this is probably true of the marriage licenses as well. it is possible that some of the vital records might be in the state archives or oklahoma historical society.

i am finding no sissie miller records that have a husband named henry for the 1910 census.

http://sqawcreations.com/ancestors/

something is wrong here. you first give information in the obituary and commentary. i am STILL not clear about the names i should be looking up. maybe you were typing in a hurry or are typing from memory or don’t have documents so you are copying something.

i don’t know if this is your family. some of the information sounds as if it would fit, some doesn’t.
http://sqawcreations.com/ancestors/

1930 United States Federal Census
about Emma Hunsucker
Name: Emma Hunsucker
Home in 1930: Heavener, Le Flore, Oklahoma
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Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1906
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse’s Name: Marion Hunsucker
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military Service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents’ birthplace:

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Household Members:
Name Age
Marion Hunsucker 45
Emma Hunsucker 24
Earl Hunsucker 6
Raymon Hunsucker 9/12
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Heavener, Le Flore, Oklahoma; Roll: 1910; Page: 11A; Enumeration District: 13; Image: 804.0.

Name: Marion Hunsucker
Home in 1930: Heavener, Le Flore, Oklahoma
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Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Birthplace: Arkansas
Relation to Head of House: Head
the children were b. OK, emily b. OK, emily was first married when emily was 21, three years ago.

Name: Marion Hunsucker
Home in 1920: Heavener, Le Flore, Oklahoma
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Birthplace: Arkansas
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
[Head]
Father’s Birth Place: Georgia
Mother’s Birth Place: Georgia
Marital Status: Widowed
[Widow]
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Rent
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
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Household Members:
Name Age
Marion Hunsucker 39
Cliffton Hunsucker 15
L B Hunsucker 12
Melvy Hunsucker 9

Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Heavener, Le Flore, Oklahoma; Roll: T625_1468; Page: 7A; Enumeration District: 104; Image: 302.

if you were more clear about names, dates, location, children and spouse, i might try to find some records. as it is, i think that henry’s surname was jefferson. sissie’s surname might be something else and her first name might be something else like sarah louise. no children for emily and i don’t know what years she might be found under what name.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes: http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society 22
Historic Preservation and
Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center 23
Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto