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Maiden name for my great-great-grandma

Egypt Egypt

posted on June 20, 2011 and updated on June 20, 2011

Hello, I am new to this Genealogy forum and I am looking for some help. My Great,Great Grandmother was Georgia Ann Hogge she was married to C.J.Hogge and had 5 children. What I am looking for is her maiden name before it became Hogge. My mother never knew it nor did her mother; my grandmother says she was a Choctaw Indian, my grandmother is no longer with us, so I can not get anymore information from her. I am trying to find out if this was true or not; I would really like to know my families histroy if anyone could help I would appreciate it. Thank you! Egypt Leno
Georgia Ann was born May 2, 1884 in Oklahoma.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on June 21, 2011

c. j. hogge m. georgia ann ? b. 5/2/1884 OK
no children listed. no location listed.

do you have a copy of a death certificate, cemetery record, obituary for geogia? those documents would be likely to tell you. also, anyone who passed away after 1/1/1937 has a social security application on file and they had to file a document for proof of age. sometimes these are birth certificates, sometimes delayed birth certificates. you have to ask for both the birth certificate and delayed birth certificate if you request on. this is because these documents are often kept chronologically and they might miss a delayed birth certificate if it was filed well after the birth.

i am wondering if this was your c. j. hogge?
Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Hoge Jim 0 M MCR1195 P
Choctaw Hoge Lujimmy 1 M 1/8 MCR1195 MCR
Choctaw Hoge Stephen 2 M 1/8 MCR1195 MCR
Choctaw Hoge Jennie 4 F 1/8 MCR1195 MCR
Choctaw Hoge Delia 12 M 1/8 MCR1195 MCR
Choctaw Hoge Anddrew 13 M 1/8 MCR1195 MCR
Choctaw Hoge Addaline 15 F 1/8 MCR1195 MCR
Choctaw Hoge Isaac 16 M 1/8 MCR1195 MCR
Choctaw Hoge Ennie 17 M 1/8 MCR1195 MCR
Choctaw Hoge Lee 18 M 1/8 MCR1195 MCR
Choctaw Hoge Jeenis 19 M 1/8 MCR1195 MCR
Choctaw Hoge Chesterfield 20 M 1/8 MCR1195 MCR
Choctaw Hoge Jennie 37 F 1/4 MCR1195 MCR
Choctaw Martin Delia 0 F MCR1195 P
Choctaw Martin Peter 0 M MCR1195 P
p=parent
mcr=mississippi choctaw refused. some mississippi choctaw were granted citizenship early in the process. so, if this is c. j. hogge, then you should check to see if he was enrolled.
nonetheless, there would be heritage information in the application, census card and testimony.

the oklahoma historical society often has early marriage information. oklahoma vital records and state archives may have marriage information.

Name: Georgia A Hogge
[Georgia A Hogger]
Home in 1920: Orney, Castro, Texas
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse’s Name: C J Hogge
Father’s Birth Place: Kentucky
Mother’s Birth Place: Kentucky
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Female
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
C J Hogge 38
Georgia A Hogge 35
Raymond Hogge 17
Lester Hogge 15
Lucile Hogge 13
Grace Hogge 9
Tommie Hogge 3
T E Hogge 78
Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Orney, Castro, Texas; Roll: T625_1785; Page: 9B; Enumeration District: 17; Image: 357.
if her parents were b. KY, she would likely have been mississippi choctaw. her family would probably not have gone on the trail of tears in the late 1830’s.
this census says raymond was b. TX, lester and lucile b. OK and the other children b. TX.

Name: Georgia Hogge
Age in 1910: 26
Estimated Birth Year: 1884
Birthplace: Kansas
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Father’s Birth Place: Kentucky
Mother’s Birth Place: Kentucky
Spouse’s Name: C J Hogge
Home in 1910: Justice Precinct 4, Castro, Texas
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Female
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
C J Hogge 29
Georgia Hogge 26
Raymond Hogge 8
Luster Hogge 5
Lucile Hogge 4
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Justice Precinct 4, Castro, Texas; Roll: T624_1537; Page: 13A; Enumeration District: 0022; Image: 341; FHL Number: 1375550.

georgia says she was b. KS on this census. they were married 9 years previously.

is this your relative?
Texas Death Index, 1903-2000
about Georgia Hogge
Name: Georgia Hogge
Death Date: 15 May 1966
Death County: Potter
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Widowed
http://www.tdh.state.tx.us or write to:

Texas Department of Health, Bureau of Vital Statistics
P. O. Box 12040
Austin, TX 78711-2040
(512) 458-7111

one of the things handicapping this search is that i don’t know the first name of c. j. so i can’t search for a marriage license.

Texas Birth Index, 1903-1997
about Charles J Hogge
Date of Birth: 23 Aug 1916
Birth County: Castro
Mother’s name: Charles J Hogge
Certificate Number: 30654
Roll Number: 1916_0005
maybe this is tommie’s birth record.

Texas Birth Index, 1903-1997
about C J Hogge
Date of Birth: 26 Mar 1921
Birth County: Castro
Mother’s name: C J Hogge
Certificate Number: 14451
Roll Number: 1921_0008

since they are listing castro county, TX, i think charles j. was his name.

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Charlie Jefferson Hoggs
Name: Charlie Jefferson Hoggs
County: Castro
State: Texas
Birth Date: 23 Apr 1881
Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1952401
DraftBoard: 0
and his draft card lists georgia as his nearest relative.

i don’t know where georgia was at this time, but it appears charlie was here:
Name: Charlie Hogge
Home in 1900: Justice Precinct 2, Jones, Texas
[Jones, Texas]
Age: 19
Birth Date: Apr 1881
Birthplace: Texas
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relationship to head-of-house: Brother
Father’s Birthplace: South Carolina
Mother’s Birthplace: Indiana
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
O F Hogge 31
Ida G Hogge 22
Alvin Hogge 2
Baby Hogge 1
Charlie Hogge 19
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Justice Precinct 2, Jones, Texas; Roll: T623_1650; Page: 9B; Enumeration District: 100.

i would venture a guess that georgia lived nearby.

Birth: Apr. 23, 1881
Ennis
Ellis County
Texas, USA
Death: Jan. 4, 1952
Amarillo
Potter County
Texas, USA

Son of Thomas Elzethen & Martha Jane Hogge. Husband of Georgia Ann Hogge.

Family links:
Parents:
Thomas Elzethen Hogge (1841 – 1920)
Martha Jane Dillingham Hogge (1844 – 1919)

Spouse: Georgia Ann Hogge (1884 – 1966)

Burial:
Happy Cemetery
Happy
Swisher County
Texas, USA
Birth: May 2, 1884
Death: May 15, 1966

Family links:
Spouse:
Charles Jefferson Hogge (1881 – 1952)*

*Point here for explanation

Burial:
Happy Cemetery
Happy
Swisher County
Texas, USA
and both are on findagrave.com

so have you looked for georgia’s obituary? social security application? birth record (after you know where she was born).

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes: http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society 22
Historic Preservation and
Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center 23
Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

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Ray Hogge started a new discussion in Genealogy on April 13 and updated on April 14

EGYPT LENO. I beleave I have the information about your great, great grandmother you were looking for plus more family history regarding John Hogge the brother of Charlie Jefferson Hogge. Not sure how to contact you, hope to be able to do so soon. Ray Hogge

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Ray Hogge started a new discussion in Genealogy on April 13 and updated on April 14

EGYPT LENO. I beleave I have the information about your great, great grandmother you were looking for plus more family history regarding John Hogge the brother of Charlie Jefferson Hogge. Not sure how to contact you, hope to be able to do so soon. Ray Hogge

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