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Craig Roberts Craig Roberts

posted on June 16, 2011

Good morning. Hope this finds you healthy and happy.
I have been looking into my Choctaw family, and have had some sucess with a couple of them, but will probably need some coaching in finding the rest.

My great grandfather was named Archie F. Hooe: page 111/ roll# 737
He was married to a Mattie Watts and was registered as a Choctaw by marriage.
Mattie Wattes was born on June 19TH, 1878
They had nine children, which at least two of those are in the Dawes as well. They are found in Choctaw by blood:

Edna May Hooe born Atoka Cnty Oct. 19TH 1902: page 95/ 421
Robert Isreal Hooe born Atoka March 12 1904:page 95/ 422

the rest of the brothers are not listed as far as i can tell. Can i give you those names to see if you would have better luck? Would it be any easier to communicate by regular e-mail? If so, you can reach me at wmfire55@yahoo.com…Thanks for your efforts. Hope to hear soon!

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on June 17, 2011

archie f. hooe m. mattie watts b. 6/19/1878 place unknown
edna may hooe b. 10/19/1902
robert israel hooe b. 3/1/1904

it occurs to me that this name could be significantly misspelled in records.

i am interested in this family, as my late husband had a dane b. watts who lived around the same area and we don’t know a lot about him.

Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Hooe Robert 0 M 3092 P
Choctaw Hooe Sallie 0 F 3092 P
Choctaw Hooe William Jennings 1 M 1/16 3092 NR KIOWA BB
Choctaw Hooe Mattie 21 F 1/8 3092 NR KIOWA BB
Choctaw Hooe Archie F 24 M IW 3092 NR KIOWA BB
Choctaw Watts Israel 0 M 3092 P
Choctaw Watts Lizzie 0 F 3092 P
p=parent
bb=by blood
IW=intermarried white, a general nontribal description

Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Hooe Archie F 0 M M98 P
Choctaw Hooe Mattie 0 F M98 P
Choctaw Hooe Bulah J 1 F 1/16 M98 59 KIOWA M

Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Hooe Archie F 0 M NB441 P
Choctaw Hooe Mattie 0 F NB441 P
Choctaw Hooe Robert Isreal 1 M 1/16 NB441 NB422 KIOWA NB
Choctaw Hooe Edna May 2 F 1/16 NB441 NB421 KIOWA NB
nb=newborn

i searched for a partial name here:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
footnote has some of these documents but not all. NARA/national archives and records administration has the enrollment application, census card, maybe testimony. oklahoma historical society may have those documents also.

marriage record here:
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/chocmarriageindex.htm
GROOM INDEX
1890 – 1907

Transcribed by MARY TURNER KINARD
COPYRIGHT 27 APR 1992 Mary Kinard

Printed here with the Permission of J.D. Kinard and family for your personal use
NOT TO BE COPIES FOR USE IN ANY COLLECTION FOR PROFIT OR DISPLAY

H SURNAMES

FIVE FEDERAL COURTHOUSES IN CHOCTAW NATION AT – ATOKA, ATOKA CO. OK, get copy of marriage from LDS Library BR – DURANT, BRYAN CO. OK. get copy of marriage from Durant Lf – POTEAU, LEFLORE CO. OK get copy of marriage from Poteau Mc – McALESTER, PITSBURY CO. OK get copy of marriage from Indian Archives OKC WIL – WILBURTON, LATIMER CO. OK you may be able to get copy from Muskogee Ok CODES USED un – NOT USED nr – NO RETURN er – ERROR col – COLORED

GROOM AGE BRIDE AGE DATE RESIDENCE BOOK©PAGE
HOOE, A F 22 WATTS, MATTIE 21 19 JUN 1898 KIOWA Mc8©151
MC – Oklahoma Historical Society
2100 North Lincoln Boulevard
Oklahoma City, OK 73105-4997
(405) 522-5225
Fax (405) 521-2492
http://www.okhistory.org/

please double check
Search fee – state residents $5.00
out of state – $20.00
McAlester marriages are on microfilm and copy will be $1.00 plus $1.50 postage and handling.

Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Watts Mary 0 F 4458 P
Choctaw Watts Philip 0 M 4458 P
Choctaw Watts Israel 50 M 1/8 4458 NR KIOWA BB

Name: Archie Hose
[Hooe]
Home in 1900: Township 2, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory
Age: 24
Birthplace: Virginia
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relationship to head-of-house: Head
Spouse’s Name: Mattie Hose
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Archie Hooe 24
Mattie Hooe 22
Isreal Watts 57
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Township 2, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory; Roll: T623_1852; Enumeration District: 101.
Name: Isreal Watts
Home in 1900: Township 2, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory
Age: 57
Birthplace: Indian Territory, Oklahoma
Race: White
Relationship to head-of-house: Boarder
township 2 north, range 13 east

hugh hooe lives next door.
archie hooe owns a farm free and clear.
israel watts is widowed.

Name: Archie F Hooe
Age in 1910: 34
Estimated Birth Year: 1876
Birthplace: Virginia
Relation to Head of House: Head
[Self (Head)]
Father’s Birth Place: Virginia
Mother’s Birth Place: Virginia
Spouse’s Name: Walter Hooe
Home in 1910: Stringtown, Atoka, Oklahoma
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Archie F Hooe 34
Walter Hooe 33
William J Hooe 9
Edna M Hooe 7
Robert I Hooe 6
Benlah J Hooe 4
Sally E Hooe 2
Dora G Hooe 3/12
0
Cora G Hooe 2/12
0
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Stringtown, Atoka, Oklahoma; Roll: T624_1242; Page: 16A; Enumeration District: 0008; Image: 1086; FHL Number: 1375255.
i don’t know where that william came from, born 1901 or so. was he the son of archie and mattie but not listed on the dawes roll. maybe the dawes application and testimony will give some idea.

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Archie Fantalrey Hooe
Name: Archie Fantalrey Hooe
County: Atoka
State: Oklahoma
Birth Date: 26 Oct 1875
FHL Roll Number: 1851605
DraftBoard: 0
this draft card is available for download or printing on ancestry.com.

Name: Archie F Hooe
Home in 1920: Stringtown, Atoka, Oklahoma
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Birthplace: West Virginia
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
[Head]
Spouse’s Name: Mattie Hooe
Father’s Birth Place: West Virginia
Mother’s Birth Place: West Virginia
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Own
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Archie F Hooe 44
Mattie Hooe 43
Robert I Hooe 15
Sally E Hooe 11
Dora J Hooe 9
Cora G Hooe 9
Stella F Hooe 7
Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Stringtown, Atoka, Oklahoma; Roll: T625_1452; Page: 10B; Enumeration District: 10; Image: 683.

1930 United States Federal Census
about Archie F Hool
Name: Archie F Hool
[Archie F Hooe]
Home in 1930: Imperial, Imperial, California
View Map
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Birthplace: Virginia
Relation to Head of House: Father-in-Law
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military Service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents’ birthplace:

View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Gilbert 33
Edna M Gilbert 27
Stella M Gilbert 8
Harold L Gilbert 6
Donald Gilbert 2
Archie F Hool 55
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Imperial, Imperial, California; Roll: 119; Page: 15B; Enumeration District: 38; Image: 754.0.

California Death Index, 1940-1997
about Archie Fantleroy Hooe
Name: Archie Fantleroy Hooe
Social Security #: 0
Sex: Male
Birth Date: 26 Oct 1875
Birthplace: West Virginia
Death Date: 20 Oct 1954
Death Place: San Bernardino
Mother’s Maiden Name: Hooe
Father’s Surname: Hooe

this might be your archie. brother is hugh.
Name: Arche F. Hove
[Arche F. Hooe]
Home in 1880: Salem, Culpeper, Virginia
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Birthplace: Virginia
Relation to Head of Household: Son
Father’s name: Robert T. Hove
Father’s birthplace: Virginia
Mother’s name: Sallie E. Hove
Mother’s birthplace: Virginia
Neighbors: View others on page
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Male
Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane:

View image
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert T. Hove 47
Sallie E. Hove 45
Mollie V. Hove 20
John P. Hove 18
Bluco W. Hove 15
Joshua Hove 12
Hugh B. Hove 9
Samuel W. Hove 7
Arche F. Hove 5
Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: Salem, Culpeper, Virginia; Roll: 1361; Family History Film: 1255361; Page: 394D; Enumeration District: 36; .
edna might not have known archie’s mother’s maiden name. archie may have known it. he would have filed out a social security application 1/1/1937 and put his parents names on it, submitted a delayed birth certificate or other birth record to show proof of age.

there are three other family trees on ancestry and you might want to contact them. i don’t see any other information on israel. there might be records in the native census and native database. see accessgenealogy for that. they have transcribed some NARA/national archives and records administration records.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes: http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society 22
Historic Preservation and
Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center 23
Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto