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Mary Thompson or Mary Willcutt

Crystal Pruett Crystal Pruett

posted on June 9, 2011

I am looking for information on Mary Willcutt born April 11, 1914 or 1916. I believe she was born in Oklahoma City or Stonebluff. Her two brothers were Albert and Joe Willcutt. Her father was William Beldon Willcutt. Her mother was Mary House or Thompson. Not sure on the last name. The mother married in 1920 to a different man named Richard Dunlap.
Mary Willcutt was my great grandmother. She moved to California sometime before 1930. In 1930 she married my great grandfather Charles Walker. They lived all of their lives in San Bernardino, Ca. My grandmother Mary Willcutt died in 1966 before I was born. From what my grandmother told me, Mary Willcutt was raised either in an orphanage or boarding school. She knew nothing about her family. She believed she was Choctaw. Any help would be appreciated.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on June 9, 2011

excellent information.

william beldon willcutt m. mary house? thompson? (m2. richard dunlap)
mary willcutt b. 11 apr 1914? OK? d. 1966 m. charles walker
albert and joe willcutt

do you have a copy of her obituary. see your local public library for a copy of the obituary through the interlibrary loan program.

i am noticing a problem. searching for mary walker in california gives you many records. further, i don’t know if she married a second husband. in any case, i can’t find a death record for her on the social security death index 1964-present or the california death index.

Name: Albert Willcutt
Age in 1910: 0/12
0
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1910
1910
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Relation to Head of House: Son
Father’s name: Beldan Willcutt
Father’s Birth Place: Missouri
Mother’s name: Mary Willcutt
Mother’s Birth Place: Arkansas
Home in 1910: Stone Bluff, Wagoner, Oklahoma
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Male
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Beldan Willcutt 22
Mary Willcutt 17
Albert Willcutt 0/12
0
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Stone Bluff, Wagoner, Oklahoma; Roll: T624_1277; Page: 6B; Enumeration District: 0246; Image: 384; FHL Number: 1375290.

Name: Albert W Willcutt
Home in 1930: Pueblo, Pueblo, Colorado
View Map
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1910
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Relation to Head of House: Lodger
Race: White
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Pueblo, Pueblo, Colorado; Roll: 249; Page: 7A; Enumeration District: 31; Image: 761.0.

looking at ancestry.com family trees, i found this:
William Beldon Willcutt

Birth 2 Oct 1888 in sercie, Arkansas, United States
Death 6 May 1957 in Phoenix, Maricopa, Arizona, United States

Mary J Thompson Dunlap

Birth 07/27/1894 in Arkansas
Death April 12, 1926 in Tulsa, Oklahoma

Mary Florence Willcutt

Birth April 11,1916 in Stonebluff, Oklahoma, United States
Death March 6, 1966 in Highland, San Bernardino, California, United States
Died at Patton State Hospital. Was buried at Mt. View Cemetary

it appears to be done by someone new to ancestry, so i don’t know about the documents to show this information.

Name: Beldon Willcutt
Home in 1900: Spring, Searcy, Arkansas
Age: 15
Birth Date: Oct 1887
Birthplace: Arkansas
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relationship to head-of-house: Son
Father’s name: William Willcutt
Father’s Birthplace: Arkansas
Mother’s name: Nancy E Willcutt
Mother’s Birthplace: Missouri
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Willcutt 29
Nancy E Willcutt 30
Beldon Willcutt 15
Rowland Willcutt 13
Vircie Willcutt 8
Robert Willcutt 3
Riley Willcutt 1
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Spring, Searcy, Arkansas; Roll: T623_76; Page: 1A; Enumeration District: 125.

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Beldon Willcutt
Name: Beldon Willcutt
County: Wagoner
State: Oklahoma
Birth Date: 2 Oct 1885
Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1852242
DraftBoard: 0
his nearest relative is bettie willcutt of snowball, AR
he lived in stone bluff, OK, was employed by an oil and gas company.
the card was dated 12 Sep 1918.
i don’t see any sign that it says he was married or had children.

is this a relation?
California Birth Index, 1905-1995
about Charlotte Joan Walker
Name: Charlotte Joan Walker
Birth Date: 8 Nov 1938
Gender: Female
Mother’s Maiden Name: Willcutt
Birth County: San Bernardino

anyone who passed away after 1/1/1937 has a social security application on file and they had to file a delayed birth certificate or birth record to show proof of age. you might want to write for that document, as it will show dates, locations, names.

California Death Index, 1940-1997
about Charlotte J Pruett
Name: Charlotte J Pruett
[Charlotte J Walker]
Social Security #: 548487974
Sex: Female
Birth Date: 8 Nov 1938
Birthplace: California
Death Date: 7 Feb 1992
Death Place: San Bernardino
Mother’s Maiden Name: Wilcott
Father’s Surname: Walker

the willcott surname is spelled variously in records.

you see the parents names in that record. i was hoping that i would find that record for mary willcott as well but i didn’t find any record that fit your information.

this is from the 1910 census:
Name: Mary Willcutt
Age in 1910: 17
Estimated Birth Year: 1893
Birthplace: Arkansas
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Father’s Birth Place: Missouri
Mother’s Birth Place: Arkansas
they were married around 1909, as the 1910 census says they have been married 1 year.

did she remarry?
1930 United States Federal Census
about Mary A Thompson
Name: Mary A Thompson
Home in 1930: Cauthron, Scott, Arkansas
View Map
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse’s Name: William H Thompson
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military Service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents’ birthplace:

View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William H Thompson 43
Mary A Thompson 37
Elmer Thompson 17
Allen Thompson 13
R Q Thompson 10
Otis Thompson 8
Lawrence Thompson 7
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Cauthron, Scott, Arkansas; Roll: 90; Page: 2A; Enumeration District: 5; Image: 357.0.

if she married that william thompson:
Name: Elmer Thompson
Home in 1920: Oliver, Scott, Arkansas
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1913
Birthplace: Arkansas
Relation to Head of House: Son
Father’s name: William Thompson
Father’s Birth Place: Arkansas
Mother’s name: Mary Thompson
Mother’s Birth Place: Arkansas
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Sex: Male
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Thompson 20
30
Mary Thompson 27
Elmer Thompson 7
Allen Thompson 2
Sonie Thompson 0
[2/12]
Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Oliver, Scott, Arkansas; Roll: T625_81; Page: 11A; obi Enumeration District: 115; Image: 49.

i don’t know about the dunlap connection.

do you have marriage licenses for mary m1. willcutt? how about birth certificates of the children?
an obituary and death certificate for her?

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses

to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to

give more information rather than less. if you post about

women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the

married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can

go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your

parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you

can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after

1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on

file. if you ask a government for a birth certificate, and

they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a

delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery

information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a

copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a

child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see

your local public library for this. i usually start with the

death and work toward the person’s birth. military records

and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell

you where they were at particular times. the census records

up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely

destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in

2012.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different

things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment

because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically

opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or

4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had

accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your

ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be

living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there

permanently.

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on

the card# in the card column and you can see other names in

that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage.

native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #.

they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma

records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is

found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-

services/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the

fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas

tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest

tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several

tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from

nara.gov.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount

Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail:

chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes: http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-

indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society 22
Historic Preservation and
Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center 23
Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i

have no information about whether or when they will improve

some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native

american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public

library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages

through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes:

Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan

program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some

records are not. but many times you can find a record not

found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper

mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage

records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not

appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they

implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized

Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or

belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the

state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-

recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want

to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw

resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn

how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Crystal Pruett Crystal Pruett

posted on June 10, 2011

Can you please call me. It’s going to get real confusing. Trust me. (760)686-8440

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on June 12, 2011

i don’t usually call people.
what is going to get real confusing?
i often find a lot of problems straighten out when you look for documents for one person from the death backward in time. so obituary, cemetery record, death certificate. then marriage record. then birth record. if you are stuck on a particular person and they passed away after 1/1/1937, they filled out a social security application and submitted a birth certificate or delayed birth certificate to show proof of age.

the census records up to 1930 are available. the 1940 census will be released in 2012.

childrens’ records point to the parents and fix the family to a date and location.

it would be confusing if you tried to pursue all records at once. rather try to find records on one person at a time.

Crystal Pruett Crystal Pruett

posted on June 14, 2011

I do know in 1900 Census Belon Willcutt and MAry Thompson both lived with their families in Arkansas. In the 1910 Census, I can place Beldon living with Mary and Albert. In 1917 there is a draft card for Beldon. In 1925, I have a death certificate that shows MAry Thompson as dying under the last name Dunlap. I believe she remarried to a man named Richard Dunlap in Leonard Ok in 1920. In 1925 Mary Thompson was placed in Tulsa County Home. I believe she had Tuberculosis, as this is what she died from. A person named Elisabeth MArtin gave information for the death certificate. I believe MAry had a sister named Elisabeth. On the 1910 census Beldon and MAry were living with Beldon’s brother, Roland and he is married to Mary’s sister Nancy. In 1930, I can place Albert as working in one of Beldon’s hotel’s he owned in Colorado. Beldon came back, remarried and started a family there. Somehow Albert ended up with him. Albert passed away in Contra Costa CA. I believe he stayed in contact with my Grandmother up until the day she died. Joe in 1930 was in Arkansas. He had a wife named Liza, and a son Elvis. We think he might have stayed with either Beldon or Mary’s family. Both were from there. Mary Willcutt, on the other hand, we know she was in Ca by 1930. That’s when she married my Great Grandfather Charles Walker. in 1933 they had the first of 6 kids. The Charlotte you found, was my grandmother, who has also passed. Mary always talked about staying either in an orphanage or indian boarding school. She always said she was Cherokee and Choctaw(Beldon’s side is Cherokee). But she never remembered any further details. There are no obituaries for Mary, Albert or Joe. MAry never married a second husband. She passed awya in 1966 in Patton State Hospital. She was placed there when she had a nervous break down. Beldon went on to be married, or atleast have kids with 7 different wives. When he passed, in Phoenix Az, he was living on the Fort McDowell reservation with a new wife Stella. They had 5 kids. 2 of the daughters were sent to be raised by Mary in California. Beldon was 61 when he fathered these kids. He is buried in Az. We were never able to find a marriage license for MAry and Beldon, although we think they were together sometime around 1908-1909.Mary thompson signed Beldon’s death certificate, not Stella his wife. The death certificate for MAry Thomspn lists parents as Andrew Thompson and MArtha House. But my great grandmother, MAry Willcutt always said her mother was Vincy Thompson.
So this is where I’m stuck. I want to know why if there was much family in that area when Mary Thompson died, what happened to her kids? Why did no one take them? Why did they all end up in different states. Especially MAry Willcutt? They had no family in Ca. How did she get her and why? Was she ever in a orphanage or boarding school? And who is this Vincy? She does not seem to fit in any information I have. They only roll number we have is 6359. MAry Willcutt swore by this number, although we were never able to prove it. If you can help any further, I would be greatful

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on June 14, 2011

this is what i am telling you. take one person and try to find records. don’t take many people and try to find whatever. focus your research. create a research log so that you are not continually trying to find stuff.

Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw McCoy Betsy 0 F 2194 P
Choctaw McCoy Brias 0 M 2194 P
Choctaw Thompson Jackson 0 M 2194 P
Choctaw Thompson Margaret 0 F 2194 P
Choctaw Thompson Mary 0 F 2194 P
Choctaw Thompson Needles 1 M 7/8 2194 6362 TALIHINA BB
Choctaw Thompson Susie 3 F 7/8 2194 6361 TALIHINA BB
Choctaw Thompson Emiline 6 F 1/2 2194 6360 TALIHINA BB
Choctaw Thompson Mary 8 F 1/2 2194 6359 TALIHINA BB
Choctaw Thompson Vina 24 F FULL 2194 6358 TALIHINA BB
Choctaw Thompson Samuel 31 M 3/4 2194 6357 TALIHINA BB
this is the 6359 enrollment #, with the family.
i don’t know if it will help you or not.

as for family stories, i can’t help you there. i am not related to you. you have too many questions that you are trying to answer. how about selecting one of them and trying to find an answer. this post seems to suggest that you have few documents and seem to want to pursue oral traditions. you need to re-focus on acquiring documents. granted, these will probably not be free. but they will be necessary.

let the documents tell you the story.
have you looked for records at the patton state hospital?

people who don’t have a direction often start with the scatter gun approach to genealogy. you need to focus on little bits of information.

sometimes death certificates are not very accurate.

what does her social security application say? what does her birth certificate or delayed birth certificate say? documents that you look for can be found with the social security application information.

could vincy thompson be lavinia? or vina on the dawes roll?

Crystal Pruett Crystal Pruett

posted on June 16, 2011

I have pulled Mary Willcutt’s social security application. No birth certifacte or delayed birth certificate was ever used or submitted. I still have no idea what she used to obtain a social security card, neither does the social security office.
I do know for the past 30 years people in our family have tried to locate any records for Mary and have been unsucessful. There is no birth certificate, nothing for her past at all. I am not able to associate her with any of these people on the dawes roll #6359 (although that was always the number she referred to). I have her records for Patton State hospital. They don’t really tell me much. I am trying to locate an orphange, or school she may have been sent to.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on June 17, 2011

are you telling me that she had no birth information on her social security application at all? no location and date? no parents? this is very hard for me to believe.

did you contact the state archives or state vital records of the state where she was born?

what does social security say about proof of age for mary? her parents?

since i don’t know where/when she went to school, i have no idea who to contact. perhaps a google search might help here.

Crystal Pruett Crystal Pruett

posted on June 17, 2011

She had no birth info on her app. I ordered it, and she showed proof of marriage that had her age. She listed her birth being in OKlahoma on April 12, 1916. Her parents are listed as Andrew Thompson and Mary Thompson. I have sent in for her birth certificate in OK, and they have twice returned with no records. She was 16 when she married Charles Walker in Ca.
We have searched, and have seem to come up empty handed

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on June 18, 2011

i believe you have a personal situation. i am a volunteer that answers these inquiries. i am not even native. i try to help people find records.

it is possible that her birth record might be in the native tribal records but since i have no records personally, i cannot tell if this happened. it is also likely that there was a delayed birth certificate filed, because she would have needed it to show proof of age for other documents as well. when you request a birth certificate, you have to also request a delayed birth certificate at the same time because the birth certificates are filed chronologically. many people filed delayed birth certificates when social security came into effect 1/1/1937 and those would not be found when you mentioned an earlier birthdate.

i have no special insight into your family.

gl.

Crystal Pruett Crystal Pruett

posted on June 18, 2011

Thank you for your help. I appreciate it.