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zorabelle wall

Terry Terry

posted on June 7, 2011 and updated on June 7, 2011

I am looking for information concerning Zorabell Wall. Her father was Thomas Wall and mother was Allie Potts.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on June 8, 2011

thomas wall m. allie potts
zorabell wall

no dates, no location, no spouse for zorabell, no children for zorabell. genealogists use this information to match records. zorabell’s last name was only wall before she got married.

Name: Torrence Wall
[Zorabelle Wall]
Home in 1930: Albion, Pushmataha, Oklahoma
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Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1923
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Father’s name: Tom Wall
Mother’s name: Altie Wall
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military Service:

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Age at first marriage:

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Household Members:
Name Age
Tom Wall 49
Altie Wall 43
Bertha N Wall 24
Evelyne Wall 22
Bessie Wall 19
Christine Wall 14
Lois Wall 13
Donie Wall 10
Torrence Wall 7
Adabelle Wall 6
Delora D Wall 4 4/12
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Albion, Pushmataha, Oklahoma; Roll: 1929; Page: 2A; Enumeration District: 1; Image: 598.0.

Name: Thomas Wall
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1880
Age at Census Enrollment: 22
Enrollment Date: 25 Sep 1902
Tribal Affiliation: Choctaw By Blood
Census Card #: 1926
Dawes’ Roll #: 5502
unfortunately, there are several people named thomas wall on the census records, on the dawes roll, and i have no idea whether any of them are related to you.

Name: Allice Potts
Home in 1900: Township 5, Chickasaw Nation, Indian Territory
Age: 14
Birthplace: Indian Territory, Oklahoma
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relationship to head-of-house: Daughter
Father’s name: Henry Potts
Mother’s name: Sarah Potts
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Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Potts 47
Sarah Potts 49
William Potts 22
Albert Potts 19
Frank Potts 18
Pearl Potts 16
Allice Potts 14
Flora Potts 12
Minnie Potts 10
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Township 5, Chickasaw Nation, Indian Territory; Roll: T623_1848; Enumeration District: 147.

Name: Alice Wall
Home in 1920: Tuskahoma, Pushmataha, Oklahoma
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse’s Name: Thomas Wall
Father’s Birth Place: Oklahoma
Mother’s Birth Place: Oklahoma
Marital Status: Married
Race: Indian (Native American)
Sex: Female
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
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Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Wall 39
Alice Wall 31
Nopoleon Wall 17
Bertha Wall 15
Evelen Wall 14
Henry Wall 10
Bessie Wall 8
Christene Wall 5
Lois Wall 3
[3 1/12]
Lawrence Wall 0
[4/12]
Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Tuskahoma, Pushmataha, Oklahoma; Roll: T625_1480; Page: 9B; Enumeration District: 235; Image: 683.

i couldn’t find them in 1910 or 1900 for thomas.

i think you are going to have to do some classic genealogy. you need zorabell’s birth certificate, her parents’ marriage license. if you get stuck, anyone who passed away after 1/1/1937 has a social security application on file and they had to file a delayed birth certificate or birth certificate to show proof of age.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes: http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society 22
Historic Preservation and
Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center 23
Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto