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margo margo

posted on May 28, 2011

my mom is marie sophie durant born in frogvill oklahoma in 1930, her dad is rias durant all her brothers and sisters are past away.they were in goodland academy in the 1930s. any information or help i could get i would be most greatful for.
my moms siblings are george durant, half brother john young born 1-28-1905, roy womack durant born 10-9-1914, lillie durant born 3-16-1913, fannie bell durant born 2-22-1918, frank durant born 8-14-1923, lena durant born 3-29-1923, junor durant born 4-29-1926, last but not least my mom marie sophie durant born 10-17-1930.seeing how my mom was born at home we have no birth certifacate,and with all her siblings are past away i dont no what to do next to get her roll number.
thank you very much margo noisat.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on May 28, 2011

rias durant
marie sophie durant b.10/17/1930
george durant
john young durant? b. 1/28/1905
roy womack durant b. 10/9/1914
lillie durant b. 3/16/1913
fannie bell durant b. 2/22/1918
frank durant b. 8/14/1923
lena durant b. 3/29/1923
junior durant b. 4/29/1925

oh, no, you can get a copy of her delayed birth certificate from oklahoma vital records. people had to file this document in order to apply for social security 1/1/1937. it showed proof of age. in addition, this document would show her mother’s maiden name.

this is all great information. it appears that your frank and lena birthdates might be inaccurate, since they are only 5 months apart.

the census records can help document your family’s residence 1900-1930.

Name: Rias Durant
Home in 1930: Wilson, Choctaw, Oklahoma
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Age: 72
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse’s Name: Wilma Durant
Race: Indian (Native American)
Occupation:

Education:

Military Service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents’ birthplace:

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Household Members:
Name Age
Rias Durant 72
Wilma Durant 49
Womack Durant 13
Fannie Durant 12
Frank Durant 8
Lena Lee Durant 6
Rias Durant 3
Johnnie Young 22
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Wilson, Choctaw, Oklahoma; Roll: 1897; Page: 7B; Enumeration District: 27; Image: 1029.0.
wilma was b. about 1881 TX, father b. MS, mother b. TX. she might have been mississippi choctaw and probably not eligible for enrollment in the choctaw tribe in oklahoma. her family didn’t go on the trail of tears in the late 1830’s as the trail of tears didn’t go through TX but many unofficial migrations occurred later. only a few mississippi choctaw were enrolled.

rias owned a farm.
Dawes Card Information
tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Bohanan Mary 0 F 1531 P
Choctaw Chufate Ubbee 0 M 1531 P
Choctaw Chufateubbee Beckie 0 F 1531 P
Choctaw Durant Roberson 0 M 1531 P
Choctaw Durant Sarah 10 F FULL 1531 4309 FROGVILLE BB
Choctaw Durant George 12 M FULL 1531 4308 FROGVILLE BB
Choctaw Durant Hannah 28 F FULL 1531 4307 FROGVILLE BB
Choctaw Durant Rias 40 M FULL 1531 4306 FROGVILLE BB
bb=by blood
p=parent

Name: Rias Durrant
Home in 1920: Wilson, Choctaw, Oklahoma
Age: 65
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
[Head]
Spouse’s Name: Wilmer Durrant
Father’s Birth Place: Oklahoma
Mother’s Birth Place: Oklahoma
Marital Status: Married
Race: Indian (Native American)
[White]
Sex: Male
Home owned: Own
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: No
[Yes]
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Household Members:
Name Age
Rias Durrant 65
Wilmer Durrant 36
Doyle Durrant 12
Johny Durrant 8
Lilly Durrant 5
Roy Womack Durrant 3
Fannybell Durrant 1
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Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Wilson, Choctaw, Oklahoma; Roll: T625_1456; Page: 15A; Enumeration District: 79; Image: 500.
you may want to correct the ancestry name index so that others can find your family.

i am having trouble finding an earlier census record for the family. you will have to dig for this, i think. i am searching on ancestry.com but you might be able to find him with heritage quest, a database that you can search from home through your local public library. your library probably also has a subscription to ancestry.com. i will warn you that ancestry changed their programming recently and i am having trouble finding records generally.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have sumitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes: http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society 22
Historic Preservation and
Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center 23
Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on May 28, 2011

regarding your mother’s enrollment number, you only have to show that you are descended from an original enrollee, and it appears you are.

you should fill out the enrollment documents, giving your family names from rias to yourself. you can call the tribe and find out which documents you have to submit. if your mother was enrolled, she would have at least submitted her birth certificate. she may have submitted her marriage license. the tribe usually needs documents that they don’t have. so you will have to give them your birth certificate, at the very least.

the applications are here:
http://www.choctawnation.com/services/choctaw-nation-applications/
fill out the CDIB application first.
CDIB & Tribal Membership Applications

Brenda Hampton, Executive Director
(800) 522-6170

If you do not have a printer and need the applications mailed to you please let us know by emailing or by calling (800) 522-6170.

gl.

dan hale dan hale

posted on June 7, 2011

hello all, this is actually my girlfriend’s line. She is 1/8 Choctaw and is working on her paperwork as well. She decends from Rias and Mary Wilma (Grubbs) Durant thru their daughter Lena Lee b. mar 29 1923 in Frogville d. Jan 2008 in Caney. Her mom Wilma was white born about 1889 (per marriage record 1909) somewhere in tx. Wilma was first married in 1909 at the age of 20 in Ervin, Choctaw county, OK to John H. Young. And second to Rias about 1913/14. I dont know Wilma’s parents’ names as they are elusive in the census but a “Phate” Grubbs i found in Choctaw county records looks promising. My understanding of Rias is that he was the son of Robison/Roberson and Mary (Bohanon) Durant, Robison was the son or Grandson of Lewis, Jr., son of Louis and She Ni Yak Durant.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on June 7, 2011

do you have a copy of wilma’s death record, obituary or cemetery record? i usually start with the death. many times the name of the parents turn up on these documents. you would contact oklahoma vital records for the death record. you can contact your local public library for the obituary through the interlibrary loan program. there are several cemetery records online, such as with interment.com or findagrave.com or even rootsweb.com webprojects by type of record, tribe, location or surname.

anyone who passed away after 1//1937 has a social security application on file and submitted a birth record to show proof of age. many times these were delayed birth certificates. in addition, although you don’t know her parents’ names, she would have known her parents’ names, locations, dates.

i don’t know if this is your mary wilma:
Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Burke Mary 0 F 4542 P
Choctaw Burke W C 0 M 4542 P
Choctaw Grubbs Betsy 0 F 4542 P
Choctaw Grubbs Curtis 0 M 4542 P
Choctaw Grubbs Minnie 1 F 1/8 4542 NR SAVANNA BB
Choctaw Grubbs Frank 5 M 1/8 4542 NR SAVANNA BB
Choctaw Grubbs Benjamin Jr 10 M 1/8 4542 NR SAVANNA BB
Choctaw Grubbs Addie M 11 F 1/8 4542 NR SAVANNA BB
Choctaw Grubbs William 14 M 1/8 4542 NR SAVANNA BB
Choctaw Grubbs Robert 16 M 1/8 4542 NR SAVANNA BB
Choctaw Grubbs Mary V 18 F 1/8 4542 NR SAVANNA BB
Choctaw Grubbs Eli 20 M 1/8 4542 NR SAVANNA BB
Choctaw Grubbs John 23 M 1/8 4542 NR SAVANNA BB
Choctaw Grubbs Eliza C 40 F IW 4542 NR SAVANNA BB
Choctaw Grubbs Benjamin F 43 M 1/4 4542 NR SAVANNA BB
Choctaw Johnson J S 0 M 4542 P
Choctaw Johnson Mary J 0 F 4542 P
Choctaw Johnston John 11 M 1/8 4542 NR SAVANNA BB
Choctaw Johnston Arthur 15 M 1/8 4542 NR SAVANNA BB
bb=by blood
p=parent

you would have to get a copy of the enrollment applications, census card and testimony to know more information about the families.

you can get that information from footnote.com, NARA and oklahoma historical society. read the posts above to find out how to do this.

gl.