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Ida King

emeraldcrclgrl emeraldcrclgrl

posted on May 21, 2011

I am looking for infomation about my great grandmother Ida King who was enrolled in the Choctaw nation. My grandmother was born in Durant, OK in 1919.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on May 21, 2011

i don’t know if king was a maiden name or a married name. no children, no spouse in your post.

since i cannot find an ida king in the 1920 and 1930 census records, it must be a married name. and there are 106 ida records in bryan county in 1930.

we use county names in genealogy because this is where most of the records are located, such as birth, death, marriage.

if you don’t know her maiden name, you might be able to find this on a death record, such as obituary, death certificate, cemetery record. she would have known her maiden name and it would also be on her social security application.

you can get a copy of her obituary, if you know where and when she passed away, by contacting your local public library and requesting a newspaper mention through the interlibrary loan program. this is usually free.

the death certificate would be at a state or county vital records office. in addition, this document usually names parents and spouse.

a cemetery record might also help. there are several websites that collect cemetery records. this is one of them:
http://www.findagrave.com

and you can write for a copy of the social security application through rootsweb or ancestry.com or through a social security office. this document would give maiden name and parents’ names and birth, marriage details. anyone who passed away after 1/1/1937 has a social security application on file.

historical newspapers might have a newspaper mention about marriage, birth, death. there are several websites that might have this. sometimes you can request microfilm records which can be reviewed at your local library.

your local public library probably has a subscription to the ancestry.com database.

if she was enrolled, you could contact the tribe directly and request records that might show her parents and other information.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have sumitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes: http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society 22
Historic Preservation and
Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center 23
Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

emeraldcrclgrl emeraldcrclgrl

posted on May 21, 2011

Thank you so much for that wealth of information. Ida Mae King was my grandmother’s mother. King is a maiden name. She was married to a Charles Earnest Ray and they had 4 children. M P King was her father. I found a number where her name and another King for on some Choctaw ledger. I look throught the sites you suggested.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on May 22, 2011

m. p. king
ida mae king b. 1919 bryan, OK m. charles earnest ray

is this possible?
Name: Ida Ray
[Ida Rose]
Social Security #: 349164990
Sex: Female
Birth Date: 20 Jul 1923
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Death Date: 18 Sep 1994
Death Place: San Bernardino
Mother’s Maiden Name: White
Father’s Surname: Rose

or this?
Name: Ida M King
Home in 1930: Jefferson, Taylor, Iowa
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Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1925
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Father’s name: Myron P King
Mother’s name: Genevieve L King
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military Service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents’ birthplace:

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Household Members:
Name Age
Myron P King 35
Genevieve L King 35
Myron P King 8
Albert L King 7
Ida M King 5
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Jefferson, Taylor, Iowa; Roll: 685; Page: 5A; Enumeration District: 15; Image: 189.0.
all b. IA except genevieve was b. maryland

this one doesn’t seem to fit with the father’s initials:
Name: Ida M King
Home in 1930: Reno, Canadian, Oklahoma
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Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1927
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Father’s name: Sadil J King
Mother’s name: Frnnse King
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military Service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents’ birthplace:

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Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Sadil J King 32
Frnnse King 31
Leona King 12
Floyd King 11
Fay King 9
Siorge King 7
Clifford King 5
Ida M King 3
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Reno, Canadian, Oklahoma; Roll: 1895; Page: 4A; Enumeration District: 25; Image: 1060.0.
the father was b. TX, mother b. AR, and the children all b. OK.

since you don’t have a lot of information about ida may and her birth family, maybe you should look at her death certificate, cemetery record and/or obituary. then it might be easier to find her on the us census 1900-1930. you can request the obituary through your local public library/interlibrary loan program. there are several cemetery websites on the internet such a findagrave.com. and you can get the death certificate from the state vital records office.

nothing is matching very well. and these names are common.

if you get stuck on someone who passed away after 1/1/1937, you can request their social security application which would give you more details on their life, name her parents.

gl.

ccwriter ccwriter

posted on December 30, 2011

I came across the name Ida Mae King when I was researching my family, so it stuck in my head. I don’t have my print out with me now, but I will get it for you.

I believe we have a common ancestor, Sarah Pulcher. I believe Ida was the granddaughter of Sarah, who is listed on the Dawes Roll.

As soon as I get a chance I will get that info.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on December 30, 2011 and updated on December 30, 2011

i am not related. i am a volunteer in helping people on this messageboard because i have experience with native records and genealogy.

you might want to contact the oklahoma historical society, NARA for a copy of the application, census card and testimony.

Dawes Card Information

tribe

last

first

middle

age

sex

blood

card

roll

misc

type

Choctaw

Johnson

George

0

M

5441

P

Choctaw

Johnson

Lucy

0

F

5441

P

Choctaw

Pulcher

John

0

M

5441

P

Choctaw

Pulcher

Osborn

1

M

1/2

5441

13812

HARTSHORNE

BB

Choctaw

Pulcher

Alice

8

F

1/2

5441

13811

HARTSHORNE

BB

Choctaw

Pulcher

Belle

10

F

1/2

5441

13810

HARTSHORNE

BB

Choctaw

Pulcher

Sarah

40

F

FULL

5441

13809

HARTSHORNE

BB

bb=by blood
p=parent