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posted on April 19, 2011

Looking for information about Helen Maxine Dickson.
She had a son – Charles Ray Dickson, that she put up for adoption in 1935 in Oklahoma.
Charles’s birth certificate lists Helen Maxine as 1/8 Choctaw.

Charles r Dickson jr Charles r Dickson jr

posted on October 26, 2011 and updated on October 26, 2011

I am Charles r Dickson jr and Charles ray Dickson was my father
His birthday and date of death are correct with the information you posted
Where things become a little strange is that my grandmother on my fathers side was pearl Dickson
My grandfathers second wife was named helen, I m not sure of her middle name
I have a call into my sister to confirm my fathers social security number
Pls reply if you have any additional information
My grandfathers name William Dickson. Not sure of hisnmiddlemname but i have a copy of my fathers dirt certificate

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on October 26, 2011

william dickson m1. pearl ? m2. helen maxine? ?
charles ray dickson b. maybe sometime in 1935 no location OK. not sure of order of wives for william. but dickson is likely to be a married name for pearl or helen.

these posts are missing a lot of information. no dates, no location, no children, no spouse in your post. the maiden names are missing for william’s wives.

you have done the right thing in trying to gather documents for charles ray dickson. i often start with the death and work backwards in time. childrens’ records often point to the parents and fix the family to a location and date.

do you have an obituary. you can often get a copy of this through your local public library/interlibrary loan program. historical newspapers can often been accessed through the state archives or state historical society. many times the local family history center of the church of latter day saints has this.

you say you have a death certificate but no information is posted from this. no dates, no locations, no children, no spouse, no parents.

you may be able to get some information from the social security application.
DICKSON, CHARLES R 14 Dec 1934 14 Oct 2006 (V) 71 73112 (Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, OK) 73112 (Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, OK) Oklahoma 441-32-1811
is this your relative?

he may have known his parents’ names, so this might be on his social security application. he would have had a birth record in order to apply for social security, so try to check with the state vital records office. ask for a birth certificate or delayed birth certificate. anyone who passed away after 1/1/1937 had a social security application on file.

do you have a cemetery record. try interment.com or findagrave.com if you don’t know where he was buried.

do you have a marriage license for charles ray dickson or william dickson.

i don’t see a 1930 census record for william dickson with a pearl or a helen or a maxine. it is possible he was not with anyone at 1930. there were too many records for william dickson, living in oklahoma. 23 of them. if you have more information, you might be able to narrow some of this down.

is this someone you are related to?

California Death Index, 1940-1997 about Della Maxcine Dickson
Name: Della Maxcine Dickson
[Della Maxcine Eskridge]
Social Security #: 444098097
Sex: Female
Birth Date: 23 Feb 1917
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Death Date: 18 Oct 1993
Death Place: Ventura
Mother’s Maiden Name: Muse
Father’s Surname: Eskridge

if so, this might be her:

Name: Dela M Eskridge
Home in 1920: Elmore, Garvin, Oklahoma
Age: 2
[2 10/12]
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1918
[abt 1917]
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Father’s Name: Tiff Eskridge
Father’s Birth Place: Arkansas
Mother’s Name: Ada E Eskridge
Mother’s Birth Place: Texas
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Sex: Female
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Tiff Eskridge 53
Ada E Eskridge 39
Robert L Sparks 16
Ethel J Sparks 9
Dela M Eskridge 2
[2 10/12]
Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Elmore, Garvin, Oklahoma; Roll: T625_1464; Page: 13A; Enumeration District: 26; Image: 170.

there is a difference between heritage and tribal enrollment. i am seeing some texas birthplaces in this family. texas was not on the trail of tears but several people migrated through texas unofficially. the trail of tears occurred in the late 1830’s from the southeastern reservations. see the information about membership requirements for the choctaw tribe in oklahoma.

there are 63 tribes in oklahoma. there are more than one choctaw tribe too. look at the location of the family, as this is a primary determinate in tribal affiliation.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government agency for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have submitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times, names of family members. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

social security application for a deceased person:
http://www.ssa.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

history of the dawes roll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Commission
wikipedia entries are sometimes opinionated; entered by volunteers.

helpful information about tribal enrollment
http://www.felihkatubbe.com/ChoctawNation/TribalMembership.html

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
you can order the dawes packet from the oklahoma historical society website.

if you find a relative listed on the dawes roll, fold3 may have filmed the record and could be available online.
http://www.fold3.com/documents/46580455/dawes-packets/
other resources are NARA http://www.archives.gov

http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html
oklahoma newspaper and archives search. some of these resources may be available through interlibrary loan/public library.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

freedmen info:
You can ONLY apply for Choctaw Nation Membership, AFTER you have obtained a CDIB card proving your Choctaw Blood lineage to a direct ancestor who actually enrolled, BY BLOOD. Freedmen DID NOT enroll By Blood. When US Congress closed the Final Dawes Commission Rolls, there were no provisions granting Freedmen any benefits after the Dawes Commission closed. The tribe Constitution states BY BLOOD. however, the documents (application, census card and testimony) may help you find out more about your heritage.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears
http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes:
http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society
Historic Preservation and Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society
other historical societies:
http://www.daddezio.com/society/hill/SH-OK-NDX.html
some oklahoma genealogical societies:
http://www.censusfinder.com/oklahoma-genealogy-society.htm
http://www.geneasearch.com/societies/socokla.htm

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

this page can help you set up a targeted google search.
http://www.searchforancestors.com/google/searcher.html

these searches will combine several possible search terms and give you the best matches.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto