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Gardner - LeFlore Connection

Steven Hicks Steven Hicks

posted on April 14, 2011

I hav been searching forever, and it seems there are 2 schools of thought.
One group states that Jeremiah Gardner married Clarissa LeFlore in 1827 and had at least one child, William A Gardner. However they try to attribute more children to the couple than was possible if Clarissa in fact never left Mississippi.
The other group ignores the possible marraige to Gardner altogether, and states that Clarissa LeFlore only married and had children with John James Wilson and Alfred Leech.
Could anyone throw more light on this subject, I am related through Jeremiah’s son Greenwood Gardner.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on April 14, 2011

you have to depend on what the documents say. some people are not very careful about documentation.

if you are stuck on someone, look at the documents you have for the children. childrens’ documents point to the parents, fix the family to a location and date.

you are looking at very early years for native american records. the war department kept some records 1800-1880 or so, and they are at NARA, national archives and records administration. morrow, GA for the southeast tribes and fort worth, TX for the south central tribes. http;//www.archives.gov

you might find some transcribed records/indexes at accessgenealogy.com.

there are also state archives and state genealogical societies.

local history books and local newspapers can be accessed through interlibrary loan – see your local public library for that. you might see obituaries.

if they lived in mississippi, look for a migration to oklahoma. if they made a late migration, there might be a land record in lieu of tribal enrollment. if they went on the trail of tears in the late 1830’s, they had to register at a depot.

indeed, there might be information in the dawes application and testimony for someone who applied 1896-1906.

frankly, you didn’t give many details about greenwood gardner. no dates, locations, children, spouse.

http://felihkatubbe.com/ChoctawNation/Cemeteries/ArmstrongAcademy.html
some resources listed here;
http://felihkatubbe.com/ChoctawNation/

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have sumitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.
http://okhistory.cuadra.com/star/public.html

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes: http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society 22
Historic Preservation and
Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center 23
Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

francesbates francesbates

posted on May 5, 2011

steven i can get you more info about the famiyyjust ket ne knoe where to send it to frances

Jennifer Mieirs Jennifer Mieirs

posted on August 11, 2011

William A. Gardner’s wife was a daughter of Clarissa Leflore. The misprint of this information comes from Leaders and Leading Men of Indian Territory. William A. Gardner’s mother was Sarah Hall, a half blood Choctaw. She married Jerry Gardner in Marengo County, Alabama, I think the year was around 1825.(Going from memory). William’s wife was Jane Wilson, a daughter of Clarissa Leflore by her first husband. Jane Wilson had a brother John Wilson who was married to a daughter of Dace James. Sarah Hall is my ancestor’s sister. We know she had a sister named Margaret Hall and a brother named William Hall. William Hall’s daughter Jane was married to David Folsom and David Ball. Sarah Gardner (misspelled as Garvin in some documents, in old cursive Garner and Garvin are indistinquishable), testified for Jane Folsom’s son Albert in a case in Clarksville in the 1850’s. This is in the Chronicles of Oklahoma.

Norm W. Gardner Norm W. Gardner

posted on August 28, 2011

LOUIS LeFLEAU/LeFLEUR was born 28 June 1762 in Mobile, French Territory and was baptized 29 June 1762. He married NANCY CRAVAT about 1790. She was born about 1770, Tombigbee River, Okla Hannali, Choctaw Nation, MS, the daughter of JEAN (JOHN) CRAVAT, born circa 1715-1725 Quebec City, Quebec, Canada. NA HOM TIMA her name translates as “She who seeks and gives”. LOUIS married REBECCA CRAVAT, Nancy’s sister, born 1770-1771: died in 1820.
Children of LOUIS LeFLEUR and NANCY CRAVET are:
1. LOUISA LeFLORE born 1791
2. CLARISSA LeFLORE born November 6, 1800 Died November 6, 1872.
3. WINNA LeFlore born about 1796; died 1843
4. TOBIAS “TOBY” LeFLORE born 1806 died in 1832.
5. FORBIS FRANCOIS LeFLORE born 1810; died 6 August 1881.

CLARISSA LeFLORE born November 6, 1800 in MS; Died November 6, 1872. She married JOHN JAMES WILSON “an Irishman from Kentucky”. WILSON died circa 1830-1831, she re-married ALFRED LEECH, born 20 June 1803, he died 2nd February 1885. They were first married in a Choctaw Ceremony. When their daughter PENINAH was four years of age, they were re-married by John R. Steed, Justice of the Peace, 18 November 1838. They are both buried at Centre Ridge Cemetery, Winston Co., MS.

There is a Daughter from the first marriage prior to JOHN JAMES WILSON’S death:
MARY ANN WILSON, born 15 April 1824; died about 1912 at Bennington, Jackson County, Pushmataha District, Choctaw Nation (Indian Territory). She married (UNKNOWN-Died – Unknown), Re-married WILLIAM A. GARDNER about 1850. He was the son of JEREMIAH GARDNER and SARAH HALL.
WILLIAM A. GARDNER was born October 1828 Tombigbee River; died 9 May 1891.

Children of MARY ANN WILSON and WILLIAM A. GARDNER:
1. SALINA GARDNER
2. CLARISSA GARDNER, born August 8, 1853 Eagle Town, Eagle Co., Apukshunnubbee Dist., Choctaw Nation IT: died December 21, 1890 at Blue River, Blue Co., Choctaw Nation IT
3. ADOLPHUS CANTIN GARDNER
4. SARAH GARDNER
5. BRAZILE GARDNER
6. WINNIE AMELLA GARDNER
7. JANE GARDNER
8. WILLIAM GARDNER born 1880; died unknown

Children of JERAMIAH GARDNER and SARAH HALL include:
1. WILLIAM A. GARDNER
2. GREENWOOD GARDNER

GREENWOOD GARDNER son of JEREMIAH GARDNER and SARAH HALL was born January 1, 1841 Little River Choctaw Nation IT; died July 12, 1899 Academy, Choctaw Nation IT. GREENWOOD GARDNER married HARRIETT JAMES, born 1841, and their children includes :
SAMUEL GREENWOOD GARDNER born September 25, 1864; died January 26, 1930 Armstrong Academy.
SAMUEL GREENWOOD GARDNER (Choctaw Nation Roll#4936 or 10658) married FLORENCE A. WOLFE (Choctaw Nation Roll#14578 or IW348).
They had Children that includes:
WILLIARD (WILLIAM) ROSCOE GARDNER born Paris, Texas May 3, 1891; died June 14, 1959 Peace River, Alberta, Canada.
WILLIARD (WILLIAM) ROSCOE GARDNER (Choctaw Nation Roll#10659) married HATTIE LOVE BLACKBURN on November 24, 1912 at the Gospel Church of Christ in Milburn, Oklahoma, she was born July 27, 1893; died December 30, 1986 Peace River, Alberta, Canada.
They had children that includes:
NORMAN EDDIE GARDNER born December 22, 1922 in Peace River, Alberta, Canada; died October 9, 1996 in Red Deer, Alberta, Canada. He married September 18, 1940 to VIOLET AMERICA BIGGS in Peace River, Alberta, Canada. She was born October 27, 1923 in Lasalle, Colorado, USA; died July 4, 2000 in Red Deer Alberta, Canada. They had children that includes:
WALTER NORMAN GARDNER, born February 2, 1942 in Peace River, Alberta, Canada and married CLAUDIA LARYSA UKRAINETZ June 11, 1960 in Peace River, Alberta, Canada. She was born September 17, 1941 in Radway, Alberta, Canada.
They have children that includes:
NORMAN WALTER GARDNER
Born December 22, 1964 at Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. He married YUMIKO MIZUNO June 18, 1995 in Tokyo, Japan. She was born July 1, 1968 in Funabashi, Japan.

I am Norm W. Gardner, I hope this provides some insight on your query. Good Luck with your continued search.
Kind Regards

francesbates francesbates

posted on February 17, 2012

i am frances bates and greenwood was my g are gg grandfather my grandfrather was edward nail gardner he was married roseetta riddle.Norman will you please write me at francesbates@ymail.com i would like to know how we are kin.truly frances bates

WilsonFamily WilsonFamily

posted on June 5, 2012

Hi, Norm
Do you have any photos of Mary Ann Gardner that you can share? I am a descendant of her brother John Wilson who lived in Fort Towson – see his memorial at Find-A-Grave #28714814 – I posted a painting said to be him.
Also is there a source for the name of Clarissa’s firt husband John James Wilson (an Irishman from Kentucky)? – was it a family bible or just family lore?
Thank you
Kathy