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Harold Allen West (Father) and Allen West (Grand Father) Information needed.

Jackie Stacy Ricker Jackie Stacy Ricker

posted on April 6, 2011 and updated on April 6, 2011

Hi, Looking for relatives/history on Harold Allen West (ID#94287), Allen West (roll # 52), and Albert West (roll # 51)
I am trying to find out any information about my Father, Grand Father, and Great Great Grand Father. I know they came from the Oklahoma area and then moved to Cedar Hill, Colorado where my father was born. Harold Allen West attended Family Reunions somewhere in Oklahoma every year. So, I know I have relatives that still live there and I would like to contact them so I can attend the Reunions and get to know my relatives from my dad’s side of the family. Please contact me at
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suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on April 6, 2011

unknown west b. OK no spouse
harold allen west b. no date CO

you might do best trying to get a copy of his birth certificate from colorado. and the marriage license of your mother and harold, which might give more specific information about harold allen west.

http://www.cdphe.state.co.us/certs/birth.html

i see that the state has heirloom certificates and those might be cheaper to get, and require less information from you.

when you know more about your father, i will try to find what i can.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have sumitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes: http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society 22
Historic Preservation and
Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center 23
Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on April 6, 2011

oh, just saw the obit.
allen west m. janet ?
harold allen west b. 2/25/1927 CO m. june ?, lived in CA and AZ

1930 United States Federal Census
about Allen West
Name: Allen West
Home in 1930: Segundo, Las Animas, Colorado
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Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse’s Name: Janet West
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military Service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents’ birthplace:

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Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Allen West 36
Janet West 28
Christine West 5
Harold West 3 2/12
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Segundo, Las Animas, Colorado; Roll: 245; Page: 5A; Enumeration District: 16; Image: 438.0.

on ancestry.com, someone has already been saving records for this family. so you can try to find their family tree and send them a message.

U.S. Native American Enrollment Cards for the Five Civilized Tribes, 1898-1914
about Allen West
Name: Allen West
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1893
Age at Census Enrollment: 9
Enrollment Date: 25 Sep 1902
Tribal Affiliation: Choctaw By Blood
Census Card #: 31
Dawes’ Roll #: 52
Original data: Enrollment Cards for the Five Civilized Tribes, 1898-1914; (National Archives Microfilm Publication M1186, 93 rolls); Records of the Bureau of Indian Affairs, Record Group 75; National Archives, Washington, D.C.

NARA/national archives and records administration, fort worth office would have records. also oklahoma historical society. links are in my previous post.

Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Henson Virginia 25 F IW 31 IW1056 NEWTON BB
Choctaw West Isabel 0 F 31 P
Choctaw West Thomas J 0 M 31 P
Choctaw West Virginia 0 F 31 P
Choctaw West Albert Harley 1 M 1/16 31 54 NEWTON BB
Choctaw West Pearly 1 F 1/16 31 55 NEWTON BB
Choctaw West Mary Etta 3 F 1/16 31 53 NEWTON BB
Choctaw West Allen 5 M 1/16 31 52 NEWTON BB
Choctaw West Albert 26 M 1/8 31 NR NEWTON BB

footnote.com also has a link to the packet on accessgenealogy. footnote is a subscription site, but the cost of a month’s subscription is less than the price from oklahoma historical society or NARA.

1920 United States Federal Census
about Allen West
Name: Allen West
Home in 1920: Francis, Pontotoc, Oklahoma
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895
[June 1895]
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Relation to Head of House: Son
Father’s Birth Place: Oklahoma
Mother’s Name: Virginia Henson
Mother’s Birth Place: Arkansas
Marital Status: Single
Race: Indian (Native American)
Sex: Male
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Virginia Henson 41
Melvin E Henson 12
Allen West 25
Albert H West 21
Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Francis, Pontotoc, Oklahoma; Roll: T625_1480; Page: 1A; Enumeration District: 180; Image: 169.

Social Security Death Index
about Allen West
Name: Allen West
SSN: 522-16-8604
Last Residence: 93501 Mojave, Kern, California, United States of America
Born: 22 Jan 1894
Died: Aug 1981
State (Year) SSN issued: Colorado (Before 1951)

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Allen West
Name: Allen West
County: Pontotoc
State: Oklahoma
Birthplace: Oklahoma;United States of America
Birth Date: 22 Jan 1894
Race: Caucasian (White)
FHL Roll Number: 1852073
DraftBoard: 0
this card is available on ancestry.com. if you don’t have a subscription to ancestry.com, your local public library probably has access.
he is an electrician and has his own business.

1910 United States Federal Census
about Allen Weet
Name: Allen Weet
[Allen West]
[West West]
Age in 1910: 16
Estimated Birth Year: June 1895
1894
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Relation to Head of House: Stepson
[Step Son]
Father’s Birth Place: Oklahoma
Mother’s Name: Virginia Henson
Mother’s Birth Place: Arkansas
Home in 1910: Francis, Pontotoc, Oklahoma
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Male
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Elicha Henson 61
Virginia Henson 33
Allen Weet 16
Mary E Weet 14
Albert H Weet 12
Pearlie Weet 9
Melvin E Henson 3
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Francis, Pontotoc, Oklahoma; Roll: T624_1270; Page: 8A; Enumeration District: 0256; Image: 893; FHL Number: 1375283.

1900 United States Federal Census
about Allen West
Name: Allen West
Home in 1900: Township 4, Chickasaw Nation, Indian Territory
Age: 5
Birth Date: Jun 1895
Birthplace: Indian Territory, Oklahoma
Race: Indian (Native American)
Gender: Male
Relationship to head-of-house: Son
Father’s Name: Albert West
Mother’s Name: Virginia West
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Albert West 28
Virginia West 23
Allen West 5
Mary E West 4

Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Township 4, Chickasaw Nation, Indian Territory; Roll: T623_1846; Enumeration District: 120.
page 2A or 72?
there is a location, but i am having trouble reading it.
you will want to look at this census page. you may want to contact the chickasaw tribe and see if they might have some information on your family.
this is on the indian population schedule.

it appears that a brother, robert west and wife lettie, are also on the census page. you may want to look on some of the census pages before and after this page and see if you see any more west surnames.
albert’s father came from england, mother b. indian territory.

there will be more information in the census card and dawes packet about his parents.

gl.