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Janice Stone Janice Stone

posted on April 5, 2011 and updated on April 5, 2011

Ok, going to try searching for Indian Heritage on my side of family as well. Know very very little about my grandfather on my father’s side of family. Here is what I do know: My father was born Atoka, OK to Alec Horton Winters and Bessie Viola Pletcher. My father’s name was Theodore Alec Winters and his brother’s name was Mack Carl Winters. My dads mother and father divorced at which time his mother dropped the “s” from the last name and forbade them from communicating with their dad. I do know that Alec Horton Winters was also know asTunce Winters. Ok….that’s it HELP PLEASE!

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on April 5, 2011

alec horton “tunce” winters m. bessie viola pletcher
theodore alec winters, mack carl winters

no dates, no location in your post. genealogists use dates, locations, spouse, children to match records.

Social Security Death Index
about Theodore Alec Winter
Name: Theodore Alec Winter
SSN: 457-28-7855
Last Residence: 67864 Meade, Meade, Kansas
Born: 16 Aug 1920
Died: 27 Sep 2010
State (Year) SSN issued: Texas (Before 1951)

U.S. Public Records Index, Volume 2
about Theodore A Winter
Name: Theodore A Winter
Birth Date: 16 Aug 1920
Address: PO Box 646
City: Meade
State: KS
Zip Code: 67864

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Elax Horten Winters
Name: Elax Horten Winters
County: Atoka
State: Oklahoma
Birth Date: 15 Aug 1899
Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1851605
DraftBoard: 0
World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Elax Horten Winters
Name: Elax Horten Winters
County: Atoka
State: Oklahoma
Birth Date: 15 Aug 1899
Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1851605
DraftBoard: 0
you can correct the ancestry.com name index so that others can find your family.

nearest relative is amanda winters.

1900 United States Federal Census
about Alex Winters
Name: Alex Winters
Home in 1900: Justice Precinct 7, Collin, Texas
[Nevada, Collin, Texas]
Age: 9/12
Birth Date: Aug 1899
Birthplace: Texas
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relationship to head-of-house: Son
Father’s Name: William D Winters
Father’s Birthplace: Mississippi
Mother’s Name: Mandy Winters
Mother’s Birthplace: Mississippi
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William D Winters 41
Mandy Winters 42
John Winters 19
Abe Winters 18
Minnie Winters 12
Jim E Winters 8
Samual Winters 6
Alex Winters 9/12
David R Harwood 59
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Justice Precinct 7, Collin, Texas; Roll: T623_1621; Page: 12B; Enumeration District: 22.

many mississippi choctaw lived in TX. check the texas tribes. location will be a primary clue for tribe.

1920 United States Federal Census
about Wm D Winter
Name: Wm D Winter
Home in 1920: Bentley, Atoka, Oklahoma
Age: 61
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Birthplace: Mississippi
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
[Head]
Spouse’s Name: Amanda Winter
Father’s Birth Place: Alabama
Mother’s Birth Place: South Carolina
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Rent
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Wm D Winter 61
Amanda Winter 60
Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Bentley, Atoka, Oklahoma; Roll: T625_1452; Page: 2A; Enumeration District: 2; Image: 412.

1910 United States Federal Census
about William D Winters
Name: William D Winters
Age in 1910: 51
Estimated Birth Year: 1859
Birthplace: Mississippi
Relation to Head of House: Head
[Self (Head)]
Father’s Birth Place: North Carolina
[South Carolina]
Mother’s Birth Place: Alabama
Spouse’s Name: Nanly Winters
Home in 1910: Township 10, Bryan, Oklahoma
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William D Winters 51
Nanly Winters 61
John E Winters 18
Sam G Winters 15
Alic H Winters 11
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Township 10, Bryan, Oklahoma; Roll: T624_1244; Page: 3B; Enumeration District: 0031; Image: 424; FHL Number: 1375257.

1880 United States Federal Census
about Nuton Price
Name: Nuton Price
Home in 1880: Calhoun, Mississippi
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Birthplace: Mississippi
Father’s birthplace: Tennessee
Mother’s birthplace: Tennessee
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Laborer
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane:

View image
Household Members:
Name Age
William Winter 21
Manda Winter 21
Nuton Price 29
Elizabeth Price 26
Queenie Price 7
Robert Price 5
Charles Price 2
Noah Price 1
Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: , Calhoun, Mississippi; Roll: 642; Family History Film: 1254642; Page: 555B; Enumeration District: 14; .

if you find william winters’ father, you might find that there is a mississippi or alabama land grant called choctaw scrip. natives accepted this scrip in lieu of tribal termination, see the treaty of rabbit creek.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have sumitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes: http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society 22
Historic Preservation and
Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center 23
Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto