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posted on July 17, 2010

Greetings, I am looking for information on the Fanchers. They are originally from Arkansas (Osage, Carroll Country). James Poteet Fancher Married to Arcie Vinnie Smith. Of course the years of birth have them being born after the final Dawes Rolls thus they would not have a roll number. However there are several Fanchers listed on the rolls as Choctaw.
How could I go about finding the relationship between those people listed and my relatives? I know they are not James’ parents but I am wondering if they are uncles or cousins.
I have more specific dates etc… if needed.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on July 18, 2010

james poteet fancher b. 5/6/1891 AR? m. arcie vinnie smith. unfortunately you didn’t include the dates for these people, nor the birthplaces, places of death, dates of death.

is this your relative?

Social Security Death Index
about James P. Fancher
Name: James P. Fancher
SSN: 431-24-5345
Last Residence: 92545 Hemet, Riverside, California, United States of America
Born: 3 Mar 1912
Died: 28 Jul 1998
State (Year) SSN issued: Arkansas (Before 1

a different birthdate?

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about James Pateet Fancher
Name: James Pateet Fancher
County: Carroll
State: Arkansas
Birthplace: Arkansas
Birth Date: 6 May 1891
Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1522751
DraftBoard: 0
he’s single as of 6/5/1917 AR, is a farmer.

Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Liberty, Carroll, Arkansas; Roll T623_52; Page: 4A; Enumeration District: 40.

Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Liberty, Carroll, Arkansas; Roll T624_45; Page: 1B; Enumeration District: 60; Image: 267.

arcie smith here:
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Carrollton, Carroll, Arkansas; Roll T624_45; Page: 9A; Enumeration District: 51; Image: 20.

Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Rocky Ford, Otero, Colorado; Roll T625_169; Page: 5B; Enumeration District: 170; Image: 328.
there are married on this census.

Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Grant, Ottawa, Kansas; Roll 714; Page: 3A; Enumeration District: 13; Image: 1021.0.

ok, so what does this tell y9ou?
they were not in oklahoma by 1900 so they probably didn’t apply for enrollment. however, they might be related to people who went to oklahoma and applied. so you should go back another generation and see if there are any aunts or uncles on the dawes roll. see if their grandfather/grandmothers were on the dawes roll.

but you must be directly related to someone on the dawes roll in order to apply for membership. but knowing your heritage might be helpful too.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather thann less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, and request the choctaw resourcce list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto