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Laura Ann Cathy Hays

dennis d fleming dennis d fleming

posted on April 4, 2011

Looking for any information on my greatgrandmother Laura Ann Cathy Hays

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on April 4, 2011

is hays a married name or maiden name. no children,no spouse, no location, no dates in your post. and since hays is a common surname, you need more information rather than less.

unfortunately, this name is very common and there are several people with this name in oklahoma.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have sumitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes: http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society 22
Historic Preservation and
Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center 23
Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on April 4, 2011

reading the other thread, you gave more information.

Melissa, i am seeking info on my great granmother Laura ann Cathy, who married henry Hugh Fleming. We were told she was abanded as a child and raised by the Hays family, she married as a Hays.
can you help?
Dennis Fleming
dennisdfleming@hotmail.com

maybe this is your relative:
1910 United States Federal Census
about Laura A Fleming
Name: Laura A Fleming
Age in 1910: 50
Estimated Birth Year: 1860
Birthplace: Mississippi
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Father’s Birth Place: Mississippi
Mother’s Birth Place: South Carolina
Spouse’s Name: Henry Fleming
Home in 1910: Perry, McClain, Oklahoma
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Female
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Fleming 49
Laura A Fleming 50
Frank Fleming 20
Ada Fleming 18
Earl Fleming 14
Jewel Fleming 12
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Perry, McClain, Oklahoma; Roll: T624_1261; Page: 5B; Enumeration District: 0188; Image: 534; FHL Number: 1375274.
henry fleming, head, white male, age 49, married 23 years, b. TX, parents b. TN, farmer who rents the farm, reads and writes
laura a., wife, white female, age 50, married 23 years, b. MS, father b. MS, mother b. SC, reads and writes
frank, son, white male, age 20, single, b. TX, helper on the farm, reads and writes
page 6A
ada, daughter, white female, age 18, single, b. TX, reads and writes
earl, son, white male, age 14, single, b. OK, helps on the farm, reads and writes, attends school
jewel, son, white male, age 12, single, b. OK, helps on the farm, reads and writes, attends school

this shows the family’s migration, from TX to OK. the trail of tears didn’t go through TX in the 1830’s. and laura’s parents were b. MS, so if she is native, she is probably mississippi choctaw.
but you should look where her family was in TX and check with the texas tribes to make sure they were not enrolled with them.

1920 United States Federal Census
about Laura Flemming
Name: Laura Flemming
Home in 1920: Canadian, Cleveland, Oklahoma
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Birthplace: Mississippi
[Texas]
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse’s Name: Henry Flemming
Father’s Birth Place: Mississippi
[Tennessee]
Mother’s Birth Place: South Carolina
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Female
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Flemming 59
Laura Flemming 60
Earl Flemming 24
Jewell Flemming 21
Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Canadian, Cleveland, Oklahoma; Roll: T625_1456; Page: 4B; Enumeration District: 1; Image: 708.
henry still rents the farm.
but laura now says she was b. MS.

1930 United States Federal Census
about Laura Fleming
Name: Laura Fleming
Home in 1930: Sapulpa, Creek, Oklahoma
View Map
Age: 70
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation to Head of House: Mother
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military Service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents’ birthplace:

View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Frank Fleming 40
Dovie Fleming 36
Aubrey Fleming 16
Paul Fleming 13
James Fleming 10
William Fleming 8
Dean Fleming 6
June Rose Fleming 2 10/12
Laura Fleming 70
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Sapulpa, Creek, Oklahoma; Roll: 1900; Page: 11A; Enumeration District: 45; Image: 987.0.
now laura says she was born in AL.
and frank rents the house for $12/month, doesn’t have a radio, is a machinist for the railroad.
people didn’t use birthplace or birthdates as identification factors, so sometimes they didn’t remember details. and maybe someone else gave the information for the census.

1900 United States Federal Census
about Laura L Fleming
Name: Laura L Fleming
Home in 1900: Township 2, Chickasaw Nation, Indian Territory
Age: 40
Birthplace: Alabama
Race: Indian (Native American)
Gender: Female
Relationship to head-of-house: Wife
Spouse’s Name: Henry Fleming
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Fleming 39
Laura L Fleming 40
Bessie Fleming 12
Frank W Fleming 11
Ada B Fleming 8
Earl R Fleming 4
Jewel E Fleming 2
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Township 2, Chickasaw Nation, Indian Territory; Roll: T623_1847; Enumeration District: 133.
henry fleming, head, white male, b. june 1860, age 39, married 14 years, b. TX, parents b. TX, farmer, reads and writes, owns the farm.
laura l., wife, indian female, b. sept. 1859, age 40, married 14 years, had 6 children but only 5 survive, b. AL, father b. AL, mother b. NC, reads and writes
bessie, daughter, indian female, b. sept. 1887, age 12, single, b. TX, reads and writes, attends school
frank w., son, indian male, b. may 1889, age 11, single, b. TX, reads and writes, attends school
ada b., daughter, indian female, b. oct. 1891, age 8, single, b. TX
earl r., son, indian male, b. oct. 1895, age 4, single, b. indian territory
jewel e., son, indian male, b. march 1898, age 2, single, b. indian territory

this alabama birthplace for laura is probably the right one. she might be connected to one of the alabama tribes, such as MOWA.
henry, too, might have some native connection, as there were several tribes in TN.

1870 United States Federal Census
about Laura Hays
Name: Laura Hays
Birth Year: abt 1860
Age in 1870: 10
Birthplace: Mississippi
Home in 1870: Township 3 Range 12, Lauderdale, Alabama
Race: White
Gender: Female
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Hays 49
William Hays 18
Mary Hays 16
Laura Hays 10
Source Citation: Year: 1870; Census Place: Township 3 Range 12, Lauderdale, Alabama; Roll: M593_21; Page: 604A; Image: 692; Family History Library Film: 545520.

1880 United States Federal Census
about Henry Fleming
Name: Henry Fleming
Home in 1880: Precinct 4, Fannin, Texas
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Birthplace: Texas
Relation to Head of Household: BroL
Father’s birthplace: Tennessee
Mother’s birthplace: Tennessee
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Works On Farm
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Male
Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane:

View image
Household Members:
Name Age
R. S. Cox 30
Mary E. Cox 26
John C. Cox 6
Claudius Wm. Cox 2
Henry Fleming 20
Newton Fleming 17
James H. Fleming 31
Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: Precinct 4, Fannin, Texas; Roll: 1302; Family History Film: 1255302; Page: 446B; Enumeration District: 27;

you may have to get some of the childrens’ birth certificates and then look for newspaper mentions of henry and laura hayes’ marriage, newspaper mentions. see the local public library, interlibrary loan program.

anyone who passed away after 1/1/1937 filled out a social security application. this would help you by giving dates, locations, spouse, parents. when they filed for social security, they had to submit a birth certificate or delayed birth certificate. when you ask for someone’s birth certificate, you have to also ask for the delayed certificate.

you might want to contact the texas state archives, the mississippi state archives, the alabama state archives and the tennessee state archives. as you acquire documents, you will know more details about your family.

Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Fleming Henry 0 M 4986 P
Choctaw Fleming Jewel 1 F NR 4986 NR WYNNEWOOD BB
Choctaw Fleming Earl 2 M NR 4986 NR WYNNEWOOD BB
Choctaw Fleming Ada 6 F NR 4986 NR WYNNEWOOD BB
Choctaw Fleming Frank 9 M NR 4986 NR WYNNEWOOD BB
Choctaw Fleming Bessie 11 F NR 4986 NR WYNNEWOOD BB
Choctaw Fleming Laura 38 F NR 4986 NR WYNNEWOOD BB
Choctaw Hays Louis 0 M 4986 P
Choctaw Hays Mary 0 F 4986 P

bb=by blood, p=parent
you can ask for the enrollment application, the census card and the testimony. NARA (national archives and records administration) and oklahoma historical society can give you a copy of these records.
NARA http://www.archives.gov fort worth, TX office
oklahoma historical society http://www.okhistory.org/

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you

need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name

and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate,

your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed

away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government for a birth

certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have sumitted a delayed birth certificate. death

certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper

mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library

for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records

can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times. the census records up to 1930 are

available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for

enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have

documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal

enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to

be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other

names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially

useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other

oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and

texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records

for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail:

chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes: http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society 22
Historic Preservation and
Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center 23
Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will

improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the

pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record

not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in

particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google

for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the

choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto