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Wife of William Corrie, born 1805 in Illinois

Bob Fielden Bob Fielden

posted on March 31, 2011

I am trying to find the name of the Choctaw woman married to William Corrie, Jr. He was born in 1802 and she was born around 1805 in Illinois. They had a son Alexander born in Ohio in 1827. Any information would be appreciated.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on April 1, 2011

william corrie, jr. b.1802 place unknown m. ? b. 1805 IL
alexander b. 1827 OH

have you looked for obituaries for these people. check with your local public library, interlibrary loan program for this. there might be news about alexander corrie’s birth also.

no dates or places of death for these people. no spouse for alexander.

this information came from rootsweb worldconnect:
Corrie & Hale Genealogy
Entries: 2973 Updated: Mon Dec 9 07:16:38 2002 Contact: Fred Corrie
Index | Descendancy | Register | Pedigree | Ahnentafel | Download GEDCOM | Add Post-em

  1. ID: I504134118
  2. Name: Alexander CORRIE
  3. Given Name: Alexander
  4. Surname: Corrie
  5. Sex: M
  6. Birth: 1829 in Illinois
  7. Death: 11 Jan 1893 in Illinois
  8. Change Date: 27 Apr 2002

HintsAncestry Hints for Alexander CORRIE

2 possible matches found on Ancestry.com Ancestry.com

Father: William CORRIE b: 26 Dec 1802 in Scotland
Mother: Unknown Choctaw WOMAN b: Abt. 1805 in Illinois / Indiana

Marriage 1 Carolyn FISCUS b: 18 Jan 1835

Children

1. Has Children William Alexander CORRIE b: 2 Aug 1853 in Illinois

choctaw was a southeastern tribe, btw.

unless a descendant enrolled in a tribe, you might not find a tribal connection. so you should start with the william alexander corrie b. 8/2/1853 IL generation and see if there was a descendant that was enrolled.

Corrie & Hale Genealogy
Entries: 2973 Updated: Mon Dec 9 07:16:38 2002 Contact: Fred Corrie
Index | Descendancy | Register | Pedigree | Ahnentafel | Download GEDCOM | Add Post-em

  1. ID: I504134112
  2. Name: William Alexander CORRIE
  3. Given Name: William Alexander
  4. Surname: Corrie
  5. Sex: M
  6. Birth: 2 Aug 1853 in Illinois
  7. Death: 1 Apr 1909 in Bridgeport, Illinois
  8. Burial: Bridgeport, Illinois
  9. Change Date: 27 Apr 2002

HintsAncestry Hints for William Alexander CORRIE

1 possible matches found on Ancestry.com Ancestry.com

Father: Alexander CORRIE b: 1829 in Illinois
Mother: Carolyn FISCUS b: 18 Jan 1835

Marriage 1 Ella DECKER b: 25 May 1856 in Illinois

Children

1. Has Children Calvin Harley CORRIE b: 28 Apr 1890 in Illinois

it appears that this family stayed in illinois, so i rather doubt that anyone applied for enrollment with the choctaw tribe in OK.

illinois archives
http://www.ilsos.gov/GenealogyMWeb/marrsrch.html
this is the marriage record index.
CORRIE, ALEXANDER FISCUS, CAROLINE 1852-09-06 D /97 LAWRENCE
D is the volume, 97 is the page.

william corrie from scotland could have married the unknown choctaw woman anywhere and moved to illinois. so i will have to follow this family back to see if i can discover something about his migration.

you should check ship passage records yourself, and possibly first and second papers. usually historical societies, such as illinois historical society, know where to find these papers in their state.

http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/databases.html
you will want to check these databases at the archives as well.

you will have to check with the counties about death records.

1900 United States Federal Census
about William A Corrie
Name: William A Corrie
[William Corrie]
Home in 1900: Christy, Lawrence, Illinois
[Sumner, Lawrence, Illinois]
Age: 42
Birth Date: Aug 1857
Birthplace: Illinois
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relationship to head-of-house: Head
Mother’s Birthplace: Illinois
Spouse’s Name: Ella Corrie
Marriage Year: 1888
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 12
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William A Corrie 42
Ella Corrie 35
Carl W Corrie 18
Calvin H Corrie 12
Edna M Corrie 9
Fred R Corrie 4
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Christy, Lawrence, Illinois; Roll: T623_317; Page: 8A; Enumeration District: 110.

CORRIE, WILLIAM DECKER, ELLEN 1887-07-14 2 /117 68 LAWRENCE
not sure about these:
CORRIE, WILLIAM A EDMONDSON, LILLIE M 1878-11-07 1 /013 0158 LAWRENCE
CORRIE, WILLIAM A SMITH, LUCY A 1867-08-15 F /185 66 LAWRENCE

so, carl, in the 1900 census, was the son of lillie edmondson.

1880 United States Federal Census
about William A. Corrie
Name: William A. Corrie
Home in 1880: Lukin, Lawrence, Illinois
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Birthplace: Illinois
Relation to Head of Household: Self (Head)
Spouse’s Name: Lillie Corrie
Father’s birthplace: Indiana
Mother’s birthplace: Ohio
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Farmer
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane:

View image
Household Members:
Name Age
William A. Corrie 25
Lillie Corrie 20
Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: Lukin, Lawrence, Illinois; Roll: 224; Family History Film: 1254224; Page: 120A; Enumeration District: 196; Image: 0499.

i don’t know about the william a. corrie and lucy smith marriage. william would seem to be pretty young for that. not unheard of. maybe his father?

1870 United States Federal Census
about William Courrie
Name: William Courrie
[William Corrie]
Birth Year: abt 1855
Age in 1870: 15
Birthplace: Illinois
Home in 1870: Lukin, Lawrence, Illinois
Race: White
Gender: Male
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members:
Name Age
Alex Courrie 41
Carolin Courrie 35
William Courrie 15
Andrew Courrie 13
Mary Courrie 11
Sarah Courrie 9
Amanda Courrie 7
Emily Courrie 5
Thomas Courrie 3
Source Citation: Year: 1870; Census Place: Lukin, Lawrence, Illinois; Roll: M593_245; Page: 107A; Image: 217; Family History Library Film: 545744.

well, that’s interesting. another william a. corrie who married lucy?

1860 United States Federal Census
about William Corrie
Name: William Corrie
Age in 1860: 6
Birth Year: abt 1854
Birthplace: Illinois
Home in 1860: Lukin, Lawrence, Illinois
Gender: Male
Post Office: Olive
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexander Corrie 31
Caroline Corrie 25
William Corrie 6
Andrew Corrie 5
Sarah Corrie 3/12
Source Citation: Year: 1860; Census Place: Lukin, Lawrence, Illinois; Roll: M653_198; Page: 156; Image: 156; Family History Library Film: 803198.

btw, there are SEVERAL william corries in this area:
View Record Name Home in 1860
(City,County,State)
Age in 1860
Birth Year Birthplace Gender View Image
View Record
William Corrie Lukin, Lawrence, Illinois 33 abt 1827 Ohio Male
View Record
Wm H Corrie Lukin, Lawrence, Illinois 21 abt 1839 Illinois Male
View Record
William Corrie Lukin, Lawrence, Illinois 18 abt 1842 Illinois Male
View Record
William Corrie Lukin, Lawrence, Illinois 12 abt 1848 Illinois Male
View Record
Wm H Corrie Lukin, Lawrence, Illinois 9 abt 1851 Illinois Male
View Record
William Corrie Lukin, Lawrence, Illinois 6 abt 1854 Illinois Male
View Record
William Corrie Lukin, Lawrence, Illinois 2 abt 1858 Illinois Male
View Record
William Corrie Lukin, Lawrence, Illinois 1 abt 1859 Illinois Male
View Record
William Courrie
[William Corrie] Lukin, Lawrence, Illinois 20 abt 1840 Illinois Male
these are all from the 1860 census.
you will have to be aware that you need records from a particular william corrie and not others.
you need birth certificates and marriage licenses.
i am not convinced that the worldconnect record is accurate, at this point.

so i have to abandon this search and you need to gather documentation about your ancestor so that you can give good information. apparently several corrie families moved to the same area.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have sumitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes: http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society 22
Historic Preservation and
Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center 23
Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Bob Fielden Bob Fielden

posted on April 11, 2011

Thank you Suzanne…you came to the same roadblock I did. Without further documentation, I can’t move any further and that may not exist. You have pointed me to some new resources though that I’ll have to dig into. Thanks very much for your reply.
Regards,
Bob

Fred Corrie Fred Corrie

posted on June 29, 2011

Bob & Suzanne – the location that you were searching in was incorrect. William Alexander CORRIE left Illinois and traveled to New Orleans, LA. He was a school teacher in New Orleans. When he returned to Illinois for Lousisana he had married a Choctaw women from the Mississippi Delta area. She was not from Illinois. Hopefully this will help in finding her name.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on June 30, 2011

ok, then you might want to look at the jena choctaw tribe in louisiana.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

was the marriage record in louisiana or illinois?
then there would be a birth record in louisiana, probably.

what does the obituary say?

gl.

Kenneth Corrie Kenneth Corrie

posted on September 6, 2013

Bob,
Fred is correct. William (Walter) Corrie Jr. was actually born in Kircudbrightshire, Scotland and immigrated to the Wabash/Lawrence County area of Illinois with his parents, William and Margaret, and his siblings around 1822.

Family letters I have seen only state that she was “a woman of dark skin.” I only have family word that she was Choctaw.

The census taken in New Orleans during his time will list his spouse as “Mulato.” Many of the Choctaw Indians from that area were allowed citizenship at that time, as well as other racial groups, but government census never recorded them by name. Only as Mulato.

This is where I hit a dead end as well. His death records show he died in New Orleans so he is likely buried there, likely next to his wife so I can assume that may be the only way to find her name.

New Orleans birth records show he had two children by this woman that were a bit younger than Alexander.

I have always had a hard time finding the logic that the Choctaw women would have been the biological mother of Alexander given the fact that he was born in Ohio in 1827, just a few years after William Jr. arrived and she was located in New Orleans. My guess is that there was another woman that is part of the story prior to the Choctaw woman.

There is an interesting book on the family history written by Evelyn (Corrie) Birkby you may find interesting titled “Witching for William” that is available on Amazon, if you haven’t found it already.

William Alexander Corrie was my Great-Great-Grandfather.