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Charles John Clark-Ulery Charles John Clark-Ulery

posted on March 28, 2011 and updated on March 28, 2011

I am searching for the names of my biological (paternal) Grandparents, and any other family information I can find. I do not have contact with my father today, but in the past he has refused to give me the information that I seek… My father’s name is Jack Eloyd Clark. He should be about 83 years old now (born in 1928?). He is 1/2 Choctaw, and is living somewhere in Downey, California (?). He was adopted by a couple whose last name was “Green”. I believe my biological Grandparents were from the Lawson, Oklahoma area (one of them was Choctaw… I think my Grandmother). My father, Jack, was a preacher at the Assembly of God Church in New Hall, California, when my mother, Jackie, met him in (approximately) 1962. I am told I have 4 half-siblings (ages unknown): 2 brothers named “Richard” and “Ronny”, and 2 sisters, one named “Rebecca”, and another sister whose name I’m not sure of… My father’s ex-wife’s name is “Irene Clark”… I now have 2 children of my own, ages 13 and 17, who want to know more about their heritage (as I did at their age!), but I am sad to say that I have very little information for them on my father’s side… If any of this sounds familiar to anyone out there, I would be grateful for a letter or email regarding this, as I want to know “who I am”!… I would especially like to know about my paternal Grandparents…

Charles J. Ulery #5592231
2605 State Street
Salem, OR 97310

at: stephaniedeprima@yahoo.com

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on March 29, 2011

i don’t know if this is your relative:
Saturday, Sept. 21, 1968 – Page 3
Jack Eloyd Clark

46

Los Angeles

WinonaStierle Smith

49

Los Angeles
http://www.sfgenealogy.com/marin/marriages/m1968.htm

California Marriage Index, 1960-1985
about Jack E Clark
Name: Jack E Clark
Age: 46
Est. Birth: abt 1922
Spouse Name: Winona S Smith
Spouse Age: 49
Date: 4 Oct 1968
Location: Los Angeles City
California Marriage Index, 1960-1985
about Jack E Clark
Name: Jack E Clark
Age: 46
Est. Birth: abt 1922
Spouse Name: Winona Stierle
Spouse Age: 49
Date: 4 Oct 1968
Location: Los Angeles City

first, you need to collect documents. do you have his marriage license to your mother? maybe you should try to find out whether he has passed away. you can search the social security death index for that on rootsweb.com or ancestry.com. ancestry is a subscription website, but rootsweb is free.

i’m a little lost on your post.
we list things like this:
jack eloyd clark b. 1928? OK? m1. jackie ?
charles
m2? irene ?
richard, ronny, rebecca

do you see the holes here? is jackie a nickname or a maiden name?

what does your birth certificate say?

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have sumitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes: http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society 22
Historic Preservation and
Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center 23
Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Jan Clark Jan Clark

posted on August 24, 2011

I am married to your half brother. I have left messages with your sister and on FB to call or contact us about your heritage questions. If still interested please respond. Your half-bother is receptive to your quest. Thank you, Jan