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Frederick Robinson Married to Salina Durant

Lora Bedford Lora Bedford

posted on March 27, 2011

I am looking for information on my great grandfather, Frederick R. Robinson. He was born in 1852 and died in Durant, Ok. in 1923. His first wife was Salina Durant. She died in 1884, Ok. He then married my great grandmother, Arizona Carter. She died in 1923, in Durant OK. I have not been able to go back any farther on Arizona. Any help would be greatly appreciated. :)
Lora.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on March 27, 2011

no dates of marriage here. no birthdate for arizona carter. no place of birth for any names.

i don’t know if this is your relative.
Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Robinson Abe 0 M 3403 P
Choctaw Robinson Hannah 0 F 3403 P
Choctaw Robinson Frederick R 45 M IW 3403 NR DURANT BB
iw=intermarried white, a general nontribal description
p=parent

Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Robinson Arizona 0 F M1241 P
Choctaw Robinson Frederick R 0 M M1241 P
Choctaw Robinson Nowell 1 M NR M1241 NR DURANT M
Choctaw Robinson George 4 M NR M1241 NR DURANT M

Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Robinson Arizona 0 F R724 P
Choctaw Robinson F R 0 M R724 P
Choctaw Robinson Roscoe 3 M W R724 R
Choctaw Robinson Gertrude 8 F W R724 R
Choctaw Robinson Maud 12 F W R724 R
Choctaw Robinson Arizona 30 F W R724 R
R usually means rejected, but there might be some genealogical information in the file.
you should also get the census card, application and testimony for each card#/family group.

you should get a copy of this case in this book. see your local public library for that. or you can download the book and print from it:
Records and briefs of the United States Supreme Court, Volume 174
By United States. Supreme Court
supreme court issues, october 1898
number 453.
pages 31-44 in google books.

this 1860 indian territory census appears to list frederick robinson.
http://files.usgwarchives.org/ok/nations/census/indx05.txt

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=36290259

this is an old post on a messageboard, giving the children of each wife. it’s on the bryan county board for OK.
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/OKBRYAN/1998-12/0912835270

Family links:
Children:
Maud Mae Robinson Rushing (1888 – 1917)*
Gertrude Robinson Johnson (1895 – 1990)*
Roscoe McKinley Robinson (1898 – 1995)*
Noel A. Robinson (1904 – 1973)*
Sarah Jane Robinson Berry (1911 – 1995)*

arizona’s vitals:
Birth: Feb. 14, 1867
Death: Nov. 23, 1923
Robert
Bryan County
Oklahoma, USA
Birth: Oct. 6, 1852
Arkansas, USA
Death: Jul. 11, 1923
Durant
Bryan County
Oklahoma, USA

Son of Abel & Hannah Wood Robinson.

Married first Salina Durant, daughter of Dixon Durant and Kate Harney. Their children were:

Jesse “Doc”, Sr.
Minnie Jane
Frances B.
Tempy
William B.

Married second Arizona Carter. Their children were:

Maude Mae
Gertrude
Roscoe McKinley
George Washington
Noel A.
Alan
Virgie Marie “Polly”
Sarah Jane “Nellie”

and an answer to your post on the bryan county board:
http://boards.ancestry.com/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=2212&p=localities.northam.usa.states.oklahoma.counties.bryan

i see your inquiry on the ancestry board, carter surname.

rootsweb, genealogy.com, and ancestry have messageboards for tribe, location, surnames.

it appears that obituaries, marriage notice in newspapers might help a lot. see your local public library for this. the interlibrary loan program can make microfilmed records available for you to view.

1900 United States Federal Census
about Arizona Robinson
Name: Arizona Robinson
Home in 1900: Township 6, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory
Age: 30
Birthplace: Indian Territory, Oklahoma
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relationship to head-of-house: Wife
Spouse’s Name: Fred R Robinson
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Fred R Robinson 47
Arizona Robinson 30
Maud Robinson 12
Gertrude Robinson 8
Roscoe Robinson 3
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Township 6, Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory; Roll: T623_1853; Enumeration District: 184.

U.S., Indian Census Rolls, 1885-1940
about Arizona Robinson
Name: Arizona Robinson
Date of Birth: abt 1868
Age: 17
Gender: Female
Tribe: Choctaw
Agency: Union
Last Census Number: 1388
Census Date: 1885
Source: Year: 1885; Roll: M595_623; Page: 95; Line: 11; Agency: Union.

1910 United States Federal Census
about Fred R Robinson
Name: Fred R Robinson
Age in 1910: 58
Estimated Birth Year: 1852
Birthplace: Arkansas
Relation to Head of House: Head
[Self (Head)]
Father’s Birth Place: Arkansas
Mother’s Birth Place: Arkansas
Spouse’s Name: Donie Robinson
Home in 1910: Township 2, Bryan, Oklahoma
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Fred R Robinson 58
Donie Robinson 42
Rosco Robinson 12
George W Robinson 8
Noel Robinson 6
Ola Robinson 3
Virgin M Robinson 1 4/12
1
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Township 2, Bryan, Oklahoma; Roll: T624_1243; Page: 6B; Enumeration District: 0017; Image: 1118; FHL Number: 1375256.

1920 United States Federal Census
about Fred Robinson
Name: Fred Robinson
Home in 1920: Bokchito, Bryan, Oklahoma
Age: 67
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Birthplace: Arkansas
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
[Head]
Spouse’s Name: Arzona Robinson
Father’s Birth Place: United States
[United States of America]
Mother’s Birth Place: United States
[United States of America]
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Rent
Able to read: No
Able to Write: No
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Fred Robinson 67
Arzona Robinson 50
George Robinson 18
Noel Robinson 15
Essie Robinson 11
Vergie Robinson 11
Nellie Robinson 7
Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Bokchito, Bryan, Oklahoma; Roll: T625_1454; Page: 11B; Enumeration District: 27; Image: 524.
if she also passed in 1923, did you look at the guardianship papers in that county?

what does the social security applications say of one of the children? they had to submit a delayed birth certificate or a birth record when they applied for social security 1/1/1937 to show proof of age. you should get a copy of one of those documents, along with the social security application.

the granville/greenville carter family in TX is interesting:
Source Citation: Year: 1870; Census Place: On Duffaus Creek, Erath, Texas; Roll: M593_1583; Page: 465B; Image: 336; Family History Library Film: 553082.

i think you are going to have to get some documents for the children, in order to verify her maiden name. you have to realize that arizona is also zona, orizona, and other nicknames/versions. i think the key is in the childrens’ documents.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have sumitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes: http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society 22
Historic Preservation and
Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center 23
Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto