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Tracing My Husbands Ancestors

Amy Gibbons Amy Gibbons

posted on July 16, 2010

I have traced my husband’s family name to the Choctaw Reservation in Oklahoma. Her maiden was Mary Lucinda Chunn. She was born in 1886 and died 1958 in Terre Haute Indiana. She married a man no one knows and had three children named Talitha, and two sons. She remarried Lon (Alonzo) Gibbons in Indiana and had more children, John Aaron, Irene, Daisy, Ruth, Lonnie, Louisa, Floyd and one more I can’t remember. She had one brother named Aaaron Chunn and Olga or Olgie Chunn who was deaf and never married. Her sister Anna or Annie Chunn married Carl Trimble and settled in Fort Lauderdale Florida.

I tried to trace her through the Cherokees and I got to here with the family name. Can anyone help?

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on July 17, 2010

first of all, i think you should get a copy of her death certificate and see what it says on that document. you can try to find her obituary by requesting one of the local newspapers through interlibrary loan for dates just after her date of death. you can do this through the interlibrary loan program with your local public library. then you should get a copy of her social security application by calling the social security administration and filing a SS-5 letter.

i would also encourage you to get some of her childrens’ birth certificates or delayed birth certificates. when social security came into effect 1/1/1937, people had to prove their age by filing delayed birth certificates, so you should get your ancestor’s birth certificate and possibly other childrens’ birth certificates, if they are deceased.

amy chunn b. 1886 d. 1958 terre haute, IN m1. ?>talitha no surname, 2 unnamed sons with no birthdate or birthplace m2. alonzo/lon gibbons > john aaron gibbon, irene gibbon, daisy gibbon, ruth gibbon, lonnnie gibbon, louisa gibbon, floyd gibbon.
brother aaron chunn
sister olga/olgie chunn
sister anna/annie chunn m. carl trimble, residence FL

this is a lot of uncertain information to deal with.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather thann less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

i don’t know what you mean by “can anyone help?” what do you want help with? you should get documentation first, and then you know which directions you should go. on what basis are you asking for help on a tribal messageboard. did you think that mary lucinda chunn was choctaw? the chunn surname is somewhat common and people of other nationalities also used that surname.
but this is a link to an email list for “newbies” learning how to do genealogy.
http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Miscellaneous/GEN-NEWBIE.html

this woman’s name isn’t amy:
Lon Gibbons 42
Mary L Gibbons 44
Charles Gibbons 18
Mary L Gibbons 16
Irene Gibbons 14
Bonnie Gibbons 10
Ruth A Gibbons 8
John H Gibbons 7
Dasey K Gibbons 4
Eletha Gray 7
James Gray 2 9/12
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Sugar Creek, Vigo, Indiana; Roll 636; Page: 6B; Enumeration District: 68; Image: 435.0.
all people in this family are b. IN, with parents b. IN.
alonzo is a coal miner.
mary was first married at age 15.

Lon Gibbons 31
Mary Gibbons 34
Liouisa Gibbons 8
Charles Gibbons 7
Mary Gibbons 6
Irene Gibbons 4
[4 9/12]
Lon Gibbons 1
[1 6/12]
Almeda Cooper 16

almeda is a stepdaughter.
so we have possible previous marriages: surname gray, surname cooper, maiden name chunn.

Indiana Marriage Collection, 1800-1941
about Mary L Cooper
Name: Mary L Cooper
Spouse Name: Lon L Gibbons
Marriage Date: 17 Aug 1909
Marriage County: Vigo
Source Title 1: Vigo County, Indiana
Source Title 2: Index to Marriage Record 1840-1920 Inclusive Volum
Source Title 3: W. P. A. Original Record Located: County Clerk’s O
Book: 26
OS Page: 470

Indiana Marriage Collection, 1800-1941
about Mary Chunn
Name: Mary Chunn
Spouse Name: James Cooper
Marriage Date: 30 Oct 1902
Book: 10
OS Page: 210
Marriage records are great sources for genealogists because they document an individual in a particular place and time as well as provide details about that person’s marriage.

It is important that you use the information found in this database to locate your ancestor in the records that this index references. Usually more information is available in the records themselves than is found in an index. For example, marriage records sometimes provide the birth dates and places of the bride and groom, their parents’ names, their addresses, and witnesses’ names, in addition to the information listed in this index.

Not all of the marriage records compiled by Liahona Research at the FHL contain citations for the origin of each entry. When this is the case, it is up to the researcher to examine records (see the Family History Library Catalog — available online at www.familysearch.org ) under the heading “Vital Records” for the appropriate locality. Once a possible microfilm source is identified, or if a microfilm number is already supplied in this database, order that microfilm to your local LDS Family History Center (more information about this available on www.familysearch.org, under the Library tab).

Copies of the WPA printed indexes may be located at Allen County Public Library in Fort Wayne, Indiana.

Allen County Public Library
900 Webster Street
Fort Wayne, IN 46802
Phone: (260) 421-1200
Fax: (260) 422-9688

Some of these printed indexes may also be available from the Indiana State Library or on microfilm from the FHL.

Locating Originals:

Because county clerks are responsible for maintaining marriage records, the originals are kept with them. To obtain a copy, contact the appropriate county clerk and inquire about their research facilities or the procedure for obtaining copies of records. These original records maintained by the county clerk may also be available on microfilm from the FHL and may be some of the sources used to compile this database as described above. For many researchers, it may be easier to check the FHL records first, before contacting the county clerk.

you could probably get a copy of the listing through interlibrary loan. see your local public library for that.

Indiana Births, 1880-1920
about Alonzo A Gibbons
Name: Alonzo A Gibbons
Father: James A
Mother: Mary L Chunn
County: Vigo
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 7 Jun 1918
Reference: Vigo County, Indiana
Index to Birth Records
1882 – 1920
Volume I
Letters A – C Inclusive
Vigo County, Indiana
Index to Birth Records
1882 – 1920
Volume II
Letters D – G Inclusive
Book: H-12
Page: 143
Birth and death records were recorded by the county health office beginning in 1882 where they remain before mandatory recording with the state board of health began in October 1907 for births and January 1900 for deaths. Certified copies may be obtained from either the county heath department or the Division of Vital Records.

Aaron Chunn 36
Olga L Chunn 34
Anna N Chunn 7
Sherman E Chunn 5
Harry E Chunn 1 2/12
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Precinct 8, Fort Bend, Texas; Roll 2333; Page: 29B; Enumeration District: 20; Image: 1211.0.
olga was his wife, b. TX. aaron is a carpenter,, b. IN, parents b. IN.

Social Security Death Index
about Aaron Chunn
Name: Aaron Chunn
SSN: 452-32-7592
Last Residence: 77006 Houston, Harris, Texas, United States of America
Born: 20 Jan 1894
Died: Jun 1972
State (Year) SSN issued: Texas (Before 1951)

Texas Death Index, 1903-2000
about Aaron Chunn
Name: Aaron Chunn
Death Date: 26 Jun 1972
Death County: Harris
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Widowed

Texas Birth Index, 1903-1997
about Harry Aaron Chunn
Name: Harry Aaron Chunn
Date of Birth: 26 Feb 1929
Gender: Male
Birth County: Fort Bend
Father’s Name: Aaron Chunn
Mother’s Name: Olga Leola Wall
Roll Number: 1929_0002

i can’t find aaron’s world war 1 draft card and this is unusual.

i can’t aaron in a census before 1930 either. another unusual circumstance.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resourcce list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Janet Hall Janet Hall

posted on July 19, 2010

Amy
Mary Lucinda Chunn was a daughter of Wlliam Sherman & Ida Wheeler Chunn
William was a brother to my gg grandmother Mattie Chunn Blackburn
Would like to exchange information please contact me off line at rnnursejjh@aol.com
Janet