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Minnie Brown Gibson

Trish Trish

posted on March 24, 2011

I have a great-great grandmother named Minnie Brown. Chickasaw Indian. She married Silas Gibson full blood Choctaw. I have a Minnie Gibson listed on the chickasaw dawes roll #1171. My great-grandmother Jane Gibson listed as roll #1173 which is my roll#. I am trying to find out if these 2 Minnies are the same person or 2 different women. Could the Minnie listed on the dawes roll page #176 be the mother and her children are listed under her. I only know that Minnie Brown Gibson died on 6/10/1911 in Marlow, Ok. I would like to find out just how much chickasaw indian that she was and also her birthday as I only have here being born in Indian Territory.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on March 24, 2011

do you have parents for minnie brown who married silas gibson? there might be some information in silas gibson’s packet of information about minnie brown.

as you know, both brown and gibson are very common surnames. you need more information about them. there is no date of marriage, no locations, no children in your post. you should have a death certificate and obituary for minnie brown. see the chickasaw resources in this post.

is this your silas?
Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Gibson Isaac 0 M 84 P
Choctaw Gibson Lucinda 0 F 84 P
Choctaw Gibson Silas 33 M 3/4 84 153 PURDY BB

bb=by blood, p=parent

Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Chickasaw Gibson Silas 0 M 389 P
Chickasaw Gibson Silas 0 M 389 P
Chickasaw Gibson Josiah 1 M 1/2 389 1176 BB
Chickasaw Gibson Josiah 1 M 1/2 389 1176 BB
Chickasaw Gibson Mississippi 1 F 1/2 389 1175 BB
Chickasaw Gibson Mississippi 1 F 1/2 389 1175 BB
Chickasaw Gibson Lucy 3 F 1/2 389 1174 BB
Chickasaw Gibson Lucy 3 F 1/2 389 1174 BB
Chickasaw Gibson Jane 9 F 1/2 389 1173 BB
Chickasaw Gibson Jane 9 F 1/2 389 1173 BB
Chickasaw Gibson Mitchell 14 M 1/2 389 1172 BB
Chickasaw Gibson Mitchell 14 M 1/2 389 1172 BB
Chickasaw Gibson Minnie 33 F FULL 389 1171 BB
Chickasaw Gibson Minnie 33 F FULL 389 1171 BB
Chickasaw Shemintha 0 F 389 P
Chickasaw Shenintha 0 F 389 P
(ignore the duplicate entries, don’t know why some chickasaw families had duplicate entries.)
there is a minnie gibson packet available through footnote.com. footnote is a subscription website, but the monthly subscription is less than ordering the packet from NARA http://www.archives.gov or oklahoma historical society.

your jane and minnie are on the same card#, indicating it is the same family.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
if you search for a partial name, click on the # in the card column, it shows the family group on that card.

you will want the census card, the testimony, the enrollment application.

http://digital.turn-page.com/issue/19394/9
this is a copy of the chickasaw times, 10/2010 issue, page 9, which features an article about a descendant of minnie brown and silas gibson.

http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/cemetery/fosterindiancem.html
cemetery record.

another person’s family tree:
http://haggard.surnames.com/web/d234.htm

a message on a messageboard about this family:
http://genforum.genealogy.com/gibson/messages/13023.html

1900 United States Federal Census
about Silas Gibson
Name: Silas Gibson
Home in 1900: Township 2, Chickasaw Nation, Indian Territory
Age: 37
Birthplace: Indian Territory, Oklahoma
Race: Indian (Native American)
Gender: Male
Relationship to head-of-house: Head
Spouse’s Name: Minnie Gibson
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Silas Gibson 37
Minnie Gibson 36
Mitchell Gibson 16
Jane Gibson 11
Lucy Gibson 5
Mississippi (Sippie) Gibson 2
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Township 2, Chickasaw Nation, Indian Territory; Roll: T623_1849; Enumeration District: 162.

1910 United States Federal Census
about Silas Gibson
Name: Silas Gibson
Age in 1910: 50
Estimated Birth Year: 1860
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Relation to Head of House: Head
[Self (Head)]
Father’s Birth Place: Oklahoma
Mother’s Birth Place: Oklahoma
Spouse’s Name: Minnie Gibson
Home in 1910: Wall, Stephens, Oklahoma
Marital Status: Married
Race: Indian (Native American)
Gender: Male
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Silas Gibson 50
Minnie Gibson 48
Lucy Gibson 15
Missispps Gibson 12
Josiah Gibson 9
Rhoda Gibson 6
Robert Gibson 3
Jane Williams 21
Albert Williams 1 10/12
1
Mitchell Gibson 25
Mary Gibson 24
Elsie Gibson 5
Andrew Gibson 2
Myrtle Gibson 10/12
0
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Wall, Stephens, Oklahoma; Roll: T624_1275; Page: 23B; Enumeration District: 0245; Image: 693; FHL Number: 1
1920 United States Federal Census
about Silas Gibson
Name: Silas Gibson
Home in 1920: Wall, Stephens, Oklahoma
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
[Head]
Father’s Birth Place: Oklahoma
Mother’s Birth Place: Oklahoma
Marital Status: Widow
Race: Indian (Native American)
[White]
Sex: Male
Home owned: Own
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Silas Gibson 55
Jane Wade 36
Albert Williams 11
Minnie Wade 6
Gilbert Wade 4
[4 0/12]
Stanford Wade 2
[2 0/12]
Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Wall, Stephens, Oklahoma; Roll: T625_1484; Page: 13A; Enumeration District: 265; Image: 1123.

1930 United States Federal Census
about Silas Gibson
Name: Silas Gibson
Home in 1930: Richland, Stephens, Oklahoma
View Map
Age: 65
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation to Head of House: Father
Race: Indian
Occupation:

Education:

Military Service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents’ birthplace:

View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert L Gibson 22
Geeda M Gibson 18
Silas Gibson 65
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Richland, Stephens, Oklahoma; Roll: 1932; Page: 19B; Enumeration District: 22; Image: 443.0.

U.S. Native American Enrollment Cards for the Five Civilized Tribes, 1898-1914
about Silas Gibson
Name: Silas Gibson
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1865
Age at Census Enrollment: 37
Enrollment Date: 25 Sep 1902
Tribal Affiliation: Choctaw By Blood
Census Card #: 84
Dawes’ Roll #: 153

i thought i answered an inquiry about silas gibson and minnie brown recently. you might want to look at that inquiry.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname, you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate, your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have sumitted a delayed birth certificate. death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary, newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times. the census records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public information in 2012.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail: chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes: http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

chickasaw historical society 22
Historic Preservation and
Repatriation Office
Phone: (580) 272-5325
Fax: (580) 272-5327
2020 E. Arlington, Suite 4, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

chickasaw tribe
Chickasaw Nation Headquarters
520 East Arlington, Ada, OK 74820
Phone (580) 436-2603
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821
http://www.chickasaw.net/index.htm

chickasaw genealogy archive center 23
Tribal Library
Phone: (580) 310-6477
Fax: (580) 559-0773
1003 Chamber Loop, Ada, OK 74820
send mail to: P.O. Box 1548, Ada, OK 74821

http://www.okhistory.org/
oklahoma historical society

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births, marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Trish Trish

posted on March 25, 2011

Yes, that is my Silas Gibson. Thank you! I have found that I have several Minnie’s in the family. They aparently passed on that name and that is why it has been so confusing to me. The name keeps coming up at differnet times and it is hard to figure out if it is still the same person or a different one.

Jackie Jackie

posted on December 29, 2013

Hi Trish,
Minnie Brown is my 3rd great grandmother, I knew Lucinda Gibson-Carter when I was younger. Her daughter Opal is my great grandmother. I had my DNA tested through 23andMe. If you are descended through the maternal line, then your mitochondrial haplogroup is B4’5 which is a subclade of B2. You would have to have been descended through daughters of Minnie Brown for that to be your haplogroup.I thought I’d reach out and say Hi, I guess we’re related :) Jackie