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Lydia and Cullen walker

Polly A. Barker Walker Polly A. Barker Walker

posted on March 7, 2011

I am looking for information on Lydia and cullen walker. I know that he was born in the Choctaw Nation around 1867. I can not find any information on him at all, so i am thinking that maybe he was going by a middle name or a nickname. I cant find any record of his birth or death. I know that he died between 1896 and 1899. If anyone has any ideas I would love to hear them.

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on March 7, 2011

he might be on the native census records. see the accessgenealogy link in this post. census and databases are on the left of the screen.

cullen walker b. 1867 IT m. lydia ?

this is a rejected dawes application but it will probably have information in it that would be useful to you. you should get the census card and testimony.

Dawes Card Information

tribe last first middle age sex blood card roll misc type
Choctaw Walker Cullen 0 M R712 P
Choctaw Walker Lydia 0 F R712 P
Choctaw Walker Jack 7 M 1/16 R712 R
p=parent

you posted more information here:
Lydia was born in october 1872 in texas. She married a man named ? smith, don’t know the year or his first name. They had two children: Eliza september 1890 and sarah s october 1888. She then married Cullen Walker (who i can not find either) he was killed in a hunting accident somewhere around 1898. walker and lydia had two children: william walker march 14,1896 in grady county oklahoma, and jack walker march 1893. she married john davis in 1899. (they are on the 1900 census) they had several infants who didn’t make it through infancy. One names Holland davis was buried at mt hope cemetery in custer county oklahoma. I looked for this infants name on the online registery of mt hope cemetery and did not find it. We think that she may have re-married.

http://www.genforum.genealogy.com/ok/messages/29963.html

1900 United States Federal Census
about Syda Davis
Name: Syda Davis
[Lyda Davis]
Home in 1900: Arapahoe, Custer, Oklahoma
[Custer, Oklahoma]
Age: 28
Birth Date: Oct 1872
Birthplace: Texas
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relationship to head-of-house: Wife
Father’s Birthplace: Alabama
Mother’s Birthplace: Alabama
Mother: number of living children: 4
Mother: How many children: 4
Spouse’s Name: John Davis
Marriage Year: 1900
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 0
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Davis 22
Syda Davis 28
Sarah S Smith 11
Eliza Smith 9
Jack Walker 7
Willie Walker 4
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Arapahoe, Custer, Oklahoma; Roll: T623_1336; Page: 7B; Enumeration District: 35.
if she was native, she might have been mississippi choctaw or MOWA, links in this post. there were several unofficial migrations from the southeastern reservations through texas but the trail of tears did not go through texas in the 1830’s. you might be able to establish tribal affiliation with record of a land grant in mississippi or alabama saying choctaw scrip, given to the head of household 1830-1870.

jack and willie were born in the chickasaw nation. the chickasaw’s headquarters is in ada, OK, link in this email. they have several departments and categories of historical newspapers, documents.

this might be your jack:
World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Jack Walker
Name: Jack Walker
County: Pittsburg
State: Oklahoma
Birth Date: 13 Mar 1895
Race: Caucasian (White)
FHL Roll Number: 1852072
DraftBoard: 2
he says he was b. chickasha, has a wife, is a coal miner. you can print or download this card from ancestry. your local public library probably has a subscription to ancestry.com

this jack walker is an overseer for a hospital for the insane. he is single. born hope, OK.
World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Jack Walker
Name: Jack Walker
County: Clark
State: Arkansas
Birth Date: 25 Nov 1894
Race: Caucasian (White)
FHL Roll Number: 1522733
DraftBoard: 0

this jack b. braggs, OKI, is single.

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Jack Oliver Walker
Name: Jack Oliver Walker
County: Muskogee
State: Oklahoma
Birth Date: 13 Sep 1895
Race: Caucasian (White)
FHL Roll Number: 1851891
DraftBoard: 0

this census record appears to go with the first card. jack is a nephew and ann is thomas hyde’s mother-in-law.
1910 United States Federal Census
about Jack Walker
Name: Jack Walker
Age in 1910: 16
Estimated Birth Year: 1894
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Relation to Head of House: Nephew
Father’s Birth Place: Arkansas
Mother’s Birth Place: Arkansas
Home in 1910: Harts Home Ward 4, Pittsburg, Oklahoma
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Male
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Hyde 44
Molly Hyde 42
William Cagle 19
Andrew Hyde 8
Kate C Hyde 8
Nellie Hyde 6
Jack Walker 16
Ann Walker 68
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Harts Home Ward 4, Pittsburg, Oklahoma; Roll: T624_1269; Page: 11A; Enumeration District: 0222; Image: 1034; FHL Number: 1375282.

1920 United States Federal Census
about Jack Walker
Name: Jack Walker
Home in 1920: Hartshorne, Pittsburg, Oklahoma
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895
Birthplace: Oklahoma
Relation to Head of House: Nephew-in-Law
Father’s Birth Place: Oklahoma
Mother’s Birth Place: United States
[United States of America]
Marital Status: Divorced
Race: White
Sex: Male
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Hyde 54
Mollie Hyde 52
Kate Hyde 18
Andrew Hyde 18
Nell Hyde 16
Ann Walker 84
Jack Walker 25
Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Hartshorne, Pittsburg, Oklahoma; Roll: T625_1484; Page: 3A; Enumeration District: 195; Image: 309.

i don’t know if this is your jack.
so i’m gonna stop guessing here.

genealogists use names, dates, locations, children and spouses to match records. if you have a common surname,

you need to give more information rather than less. if you post about women, it is helpful to include the maiden

name and the married name and designate which one is the maiden name.

start with what you know, gather documentation, then you can go backward in time. so get your birth certificate,

your parents’ birth certificates and marriage license and then you can start on your grandparents. if someone

passed away after 1/1/1937, they probably have a social security application on file. if you ask a government

for a birth certificate, and they were born before 1929, they might have sumitted a delayed birth certificate.

death certificates, cemetery information and obituaries are helpful. you can usually get a copy of an obituary,

newspaper mentions such as birth of a child or marriage, through the interlibrary loan program – see your local

public library for this. i usually start with the death and work toward the person’s birth. military records

and pension records can be helpful. census records can tell you where they were at particular times. the census

records up to 1930 are available, although the 1890 census was largely destroyed. the 1940 census will be public

information in 2012.

first of all, heritage and tribal enrollment are two different things. many times natives didn’t apply for

enrollment because 1) they didn’t qualify, 2) they were philosophically opposed to enrollment, 3) they didn’t

have documentation, or 4) they were mississippi choctaw and their ancestor had accepted land or benefits in lieu

of tribal enrollment.

the dawes roll was taken 1896-1906, so you should trace your ancestors down to that time period. mostly, they

had to be living in oklahoma by that time and agree to live there permanently.

2 ways to search:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalroll.php
this will let you enter partial names to get card#. click on the card# in the card column and you can see other

names in that family.
other resources on the left and at the bottom of this webpage. native census records and databases are

especially useful.

http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes/index.php
this will give you card# (family group) and enrollment #. they have some native marriage records too. other

oklahoma records listed at left.
if the name is common, you may find too many possible records.

the tribe has an excellent information to help you. it is found under genealogy advocacy.
http://choctawnation.com/services/departments/community-services/

NARA http://www.archives.gov/ federal records repository. the fort worth, TX office has archives for oklahoma

and texas tribes. atlanta/morrow office has archives for the southwest tribes. many offices have microfilmed

records for several tribes. note that this web address has changed recently from nara.gov.

mississippi choctaw and choctaw tribe explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Trail_of_Tears

http://www.choctaw.org/

jena choctaw tribe in louisiana:
http://www.jenachoctaw.org/

MOWA tribe
http://encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1368
http://www.uab.edu/uabmagazine/2009/july/losttribe
http://www.native-american-online.org/MOWA-Choctaw.htm
MOWA Band Of Choctaws Wilford Taylor 1080 Red Fox Road Mount Vernon, AL 36560 (251) 829-5500. E-Mail:

chieftaylor@mowachoctaw.com

other choctaw tribes: http://www.aaanativearts.com/choctaw-indians/index.html

texas tribes
http://www.native-languages.org/texas.htm
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/texas/index.htm
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.texasindians.com/
http://www.lsjunction.com/places/indians.htm

oklahoma tribes:
http://500nations.com/Oklahoma_Tribes.asp
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/oklahoma/index.htm
http://www.cowboy.net/native/tribes.html

some links for the choctaw.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/choctaw/index.htm
i looked at the land records and those need a lot of work. i have no information about whether or when they will

improve some of these categories.

types of records available for native americans:
pages 366-369 in particular although the entire native american chapter is helpful.
The Genealogist’s Companion and Sourcebook:
Guide to the Resources You Need for Unpuzzling Your Past
Emily Anne Croom
you can ask for these particular pages from your local public library. if they don’t have the book, you can get

the pages through the interlibrary loan program.
native american records are discussed in pages 352-386.

Tracing ancestors among the Five Civilized Tribes: Southeastern Indians …
By Rachal Mills Lennon
this book could be accessed through the interlibary loan program also.

always find the state archives. some records are online, some records are not. but many times you can find a

record not found in other places. you want to see also about newspaper mentions for obituaries, births,

marriages in particular.

check courts for probate, civil and criminal cases, marriage records.

if your ancestors lived on a reservation, they might not appear on a federal census because they were not taxed.
http://www.okgenweb.org/~okgarvin/kinard/1860index.htm
1860 census, indian territory.

this book is a good read about the dawes roll and how they implemented it.
The Dawes Commission and the allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes, 1893-1914
By Kent Carter

good advice about native research:
http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.com/research2.html

if your relatives came from a different geographic location or belonged to a different tribe, try searching

google for the state and tribes. you might find a contact for a state-recognized tribe or a federal recognized

tribe.

i have collected many resources over the years. if you want to write to me, shamlet76@gmail.com and request the

choctaw resource list, i will be glad to send it to you.

i am just a volunteer that wants to empower people to learn how to do genealogy.

suzanne hamlet shatto

Polly A. Barker Walker Polly A. Barker Walker

posted on March 29, 2011

Thank You Suzanne, The Jack Walker that you mentioned above (the first draft record and the hartshorne census) they are all the Jack that I am talking about. I cannot find what became of his parents. I do not believe that his mother, lydia was of native american descent, but I do not know about his father. I thank you for the information that you gave. Any other information that you might be able to find would be greatly appreciated. I am going to research more of what you have given me and see what I can find. I just can’t seem to find Lydia or Cullen’s death records or burial places. The information you stated re: the dawes card information, where can I find that card and testimony? That is the first thing that I have seen that recorded any Cullen Walker. Lydia’s maiden name was Tennison. Thanks again

suzanne hamlet shatto suzanne hamlet shatto

posted on March 30, 2011

you should look at the enrollment application.
oklahoma historical society:
http://www.okhistory.org

or NARA, national archives and records administration, fort worth office.
http://www.archives.gov